The Pre Game

[r00tz]

As I am a few weeks out from my first cycle, I figure I'd post it to get some review/ feedback.

This will be my first cycle.

dbol, 35mg per day weeks 1-4
500mg/ week of test E, weeks 1-12
500mg/ week of EQ, weeks 1-12
winstrol weeks 5-12, 50 mg ED
anavar, 40mg ED, weeks 5- 12

* Also considering using Prop as a kicker/ender*

There will of course be ala/mt used for the liver.

I will also be using letro as the anti e / bloat

With clomid and hcg post cycle.

My stats are approximately, 5'7, 170lbs, approx 12 -13 % bf. With the goals being to add a fair amount of lean mass, shed some bf and a signifigant strength increase. Those are pretty much in order of importance.

Questions or comments are very welcome.

[r00tz]

That thought vaguely crossed my mind too.

Im starting my cycle in a timely fashion to go with a ' most improved physique' contest, thats basically the reason 500mg, if I wasnt Id probably do a 400/ 350 split but .... Im thinking I might drop the prop. As it is my first cycle gains should be signifigant without it I would assume.

Edit - Responding to second part.

Yes weeks 5-12 I will be on 4 things, however, being that one is anavar, I don't think it should be too hard on my system.

[jack hust]

looks good you will not need to prop unless you want torun it till clomid

[Governor]

sorry bro..nothin good to say here....

WAY too much.
3 17aa totaling 12 weeks
first damn cycle

etc...

[r00tz]

Originally posted by Governor


sorry bro..nothin good to say here....

Ok well what do you have to say?

I wasn't just looking for a thumbs up, criticisms are very welcome.

I don't think its WAY to much IMO, more then needed probably.

as far as the 17aa's go, the only time there is more then one at once is the var with the winny, I have consulted many people and most say that because the var is not very toxic it should be fine to run it along with the winny. I will have my liver checked frequently while on.

[bigfishe]

Dude take it easy,you can gain plenty of weight your first cycle with 500mg test. Now i see you have done a little homework and thats not a bad cycle for some one with six years under there belt
But you dont,this is your first cycle keep it simple and you will be amazed at the progress you will make. I bet if your diet is right you will have put on 20+ pounds in a short 10 week cycle of 500mg week enanthate
To many drugs = to many side effects
Stay healthy

[r00tz]

I will monitor liver values, BP etc very closely, I have about 2 years of moderate training and about a year of serious training accomplished.

A friend suggested I use the winny for only the last 4 weeks, I am also considering this. I have about 3 weeks to make an minor adjustments to my cycle.

[r00tz]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

I've decided to cut the prop. An idea also came to me,

im thinking about cutting out the dbol, using var at 50mg ed weeks 1-6 then winny at 50mg ed 6-12. The var should be a decent substitute for the dbol strength. Might ease up on my liver too.

[pigmeat]

way to much! i like to keep it simple for first timers. i would suggest 500mg week test,and d-bol1-4 if you like. If you cant grow from that,first time, you doing something wrong.