first time winny cycle

[iamcdn]

ok,

i have a couple buddies who want to start juicing
i was thinking of suggesting a 50mg eod cycle they could start with me (cause that is what i plan on doing pretty quick)

they were full of questions, i answered most and found/researched the rest of their answers for them (im trying ot educate them as much as possible before i let them dive into it)

one i couldn't find: what are the gains one could expect to receive if it was their first cycle, and they have a lot of room to improve (one guys is skinny as shit)

from what ive heard/read people that do winny only cycles at 50md ed or even eod get about 8-12 pounds lean muscle mass after about 6 weeks, but im guessing they have juiced before or are more advanced than my friends

these guys shouldn't be doing a cycle as their training and nutrition could be improved, but they are adament, and they are coming at me in numbers :P so i gave in ... *plus i dont want to hangout with a bunch of skinny fucks again this summer at the beach (my selfishness kicking in)*

[alwayzgrowing]

give them test instead. why poke them 3 or 4 times per week, when you can do it once

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by alwayzgrowing
give them test instead. why poke them 3 or 4 times per week, when you can do it once

they are gonna chew it up or drink it down

[winnie]

Good old beginners...lol

Just show them how to shoot it, and tell them the benefits of taking injectables over orals.

[Mike P.T.]

Here read from these 2 links.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188180

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199981

[PIT]

Sounds like they are nowhere close to ready for Juice...
They should atleast have a good natural base to work from, heres a few reasons:

If they dont look good naturally yet, that indicates that they do not have their training down yet,and or their diet<more important IMO> So after they get off juice they will more than likely loose most their gains and go back to their original bodies...
Biggest reason is it doesn't sound like any of you have educated yourselves enough...

Just my .02 No flame Bro. Bump for more posts.

PIT

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by winnie
Good old beginners...lol

Just show them how to shoot it, and tell them the benefits of taking injectables over orals.

ive got some 50mg IP's kicking around, so that's what I AM doing and IM is not what im doing . but ill suggest the inject approach and see what they say - im actually gonna call them cause im getting fast replies 2nite

[PIT]

Good post MIKE.

PIT

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by PIT
it doesn't sound like any of you have educated yourselves enough..

you can never educate yourself enough
i feel i have a good base of knowledge, but i love learning more and hearing from those who have

thx for the posts mike, i think i read those a while ago ... obviously i didn't retain much

[iamdwalrus]

AAS isn't a magic pill. AS you've stated their training and diet regimen has plenty of room for improvement. Did they think that without proper training and diet that they can achieve what they want to achieve? There's never a quick fix.