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    I was always under the impression that finasteride had negative side effects on muscle gains. Sure it helps ya keep your hair and helps with prostate but I always see people *****ing about side effects. I was a bit surprised when I read this on minoxidil.com's site (Dr. Lee and the makers of Xandrox). I didn’t know it increased testosterone. I guess I should have considering it stops DHT conversion. I guess I figured it increased estrogen slightly (due to rare reports of gyno)

    FAQ Section:
    Q. Will finasteride change the level of testosterone in the body?

    A. There is a small increase in the amount of testosterone in the serum, because a small fraction of the testosterone is not being converted to dihydrotestosterone. On the average, the increase in the testosterone level is 10 to 20%. For most patients, the level is still within normal limits and is regulated by the feedback mechanism with the pituitary gland. Rare cases of ‘reflex hyperandrogenicity’ have been reported with increased body hair and oily skin.

    But it does decrease DHT levels greatly. I see posts all the time about finasteride lowering sex drive and causing other various side effects. Im not quite sure what to believe now on its effect upon muscle gains.

    Is anyone here a long time user of finsasteride? I was considering its use along w/ minoxidil. Has it seemed to work well? Any negative side effects? Do you feel it has hurt gains on/off cycle?

    Besides Libido there are a few other rare side effects I have read about.

    A) Gyno - has anyone gotten gyno from finasteride? How common is this and why exactly would it occur? The possible 10-20% in testosterone and therefore estrogen?

    B) Taken from minoxidil.com "Unfortunately "massive shedding," usually after several months of successful finasteride therapy is being reported to us by our patients. Apparently, the systemic reduction of DHT incites a telogen effluvium in a small percentage of patients. The latest consensus among dermatologists is to stop using any hair regrowth drug which may be linked to rapid shedding. It is recommended that patients continue to use minoxidil products, however, and likewise use some other inhibitor that does not cause a hormonal shift of DHT. "

    Has anyone experienced these?

    Dru-Online.com and Indian based online company sells finasteride in 5mg tabs at a pretty good price. 30x for $30 and 60x for $45. When split into 1 or 2.5 mg doses that is pretty cost effective. 120x2.5mg for $45 or even greater if you split into 1mg (might be a lil tricky). Has anyone in the US ordered from them w/ good success? I hear its not a problem at all and that is pretty damn cheap.

  • #2
    i did not know that

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    • #3
      I have used finasteride for the past month and a half. I had used it in the past as well.

      I can relate to two things mentioned in the article:

      1) Sex drive has gone down both times. This is why I discontinued usage originally (I dunno what the hell to do!).

      2) I experienced breakouts for the first few weeks which subsided over time.

      I don't feel finasteride has had much, if any impact (positive or negative) on my bodybuilding progress.

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      • #4
        bump

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        • #5
          i stopped using finasteride because i was having serious problems with my libido. i find it strange that finasteride would increase test levels but decrease libido.

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          • #6
            I have had no negative effects on libido at 1.25mg ed and 500mg test a week, also not one zit on this cycle.
            "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
            Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination
            alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
            Calvin Collidge (1872-1933)
            30th U.S. President

            johnsonpride81@cyber-rights.com

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            • #7
              Just like with estrogen suppression, your body's first reaction when faced with a shortage of DHT is to make more test in order to bring DHT levels back to "normal". And just like with the estrogen this trick only works for a while... Now, about that libido thing; they say it's only 2% that experience that side... I think it's utter bullshit and the incidence is much higher, I had it too and I dropped it in a split second! I chose to be a horny bastard with a receeding hairline instead.

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              • #8
                WURD!

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                • #9
                  From what I understand, DHT is responsible for the majority of testosterone's "positive" bodybuilding effects. If you inhibit it, test becomes quite a bit less effective.

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                  • #10
                    I agree that the supposed 2% that they claim experience sexual sides is utter bullshit. I think it's closer to 25%, if not higher.

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