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**jack hust** · 01-22-2003, 07:32 AM

looks fun but what are you gonna run the gh at and if you can stay on it longer 28 weeks if you can

**iamdwalrus** · 01-22-2003, 08:36 AM

Looks alright. What do you aim to achieve with this cycle?

**PIT** · 01-22-2003, 09:17 AM

I would definately run the test through the whole cycle...

I no expert but i personally do not like that cyle at all...

I would go for somthing like this:

Week 1-4 D-Bol 35mg.\day
Week 1-26 TESTOSTERONE
Week 8-15 Oxandralone 30mg.\day
Week 21-26 Winny 50mg.\ED

I would re think this cycle but if you had to run somthing like that i would go this route..

**Billy_Bathgate** · 01-22-2003, 10:04 AM

I dont see how you are going to get very stable blood levels by throwing in a sust for 2wks here and there at 750mg/wk and then dropping down to 350mg/wk of prop.

I dont see your reasoning with the orals though. I would run the dbol first for 6 wks or so, take a week or two off, then run the ox for 8wks at the end.

I kinda follow how you planned it, but I think your reasoning may be off some. Its good to keep changing things up, but more in the 6-10wk range.

The test, I would pick one and use it for 8wks before changing to anything else at a time.

**Jyzza** · 01-22-2003, 10:10 AM

The GH will be at 3iu 5 days on 2 off. This will be experimental cycle.

PIT: The reason why my cycle looks like that is because I don't want to be on test that long. Week 7-10 NO test for me. PROP is a very fast acting ester so When I'll take my last injection few days after that my test levels will be coming down. Thats when I give my body a rest and some time to breathe.

This is what some Pro BB do. 6 on 3 off for few years. This is what Ian Fitish from England told me. He was in Flex few times so I think he knows what he is doing. Don't give me wrrong---this is why I called it experimental cycle-to see what gains I can get from it. + My friend talks to other Pro BB since he is a sponsor and the funny thing is he said the same thing. So I say fuck it, I'll give it a try. I know how it is to do normal cycles but how is it to do something like this.

**Jyzza** · 01-22-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
I dont see how you are going to get very stable blood levels by throwing in a sust for 2wks here and there at 750mg/wk and then dropping down to 350mg/wk of prop.

I dont see your reasoning with the orals though. I would run the dbol first for 6 wks or so, take a week or two off, then run the ox for 8wks at the end.

I kinda follow how you planned it, but I think your reasoning may be off some. Its good to keep changing things up, but more in the 6-10wk range.

The test, I would pick one and use it for 8wks before changing to anything else at a time.

750mg a week of sus is for a Front Load. When I stop sus it will still be working for next 2 weeks after that. + the reason why sus 250 gives you unstable blood levels is du to fast acting exters in which case I follow that w/ eod prop I think it works out good. D-BOL is only taken w/ prop for 4 weeks thats it bro.

**Massive1** · 01-22-2003, 02:03 PM

week 1-2 Sus 750mg each week

This cycle isn't going to work out very well. Stopping and starting sust doesn't make much sense. It need to build up in the system, I know you speak of switching substances but you're wasting money and fu**in g with your body for mediocre results.

**alwayzgrowing** · 01-22-2003, 03:13 PM

i dont like it, but just my 2 cents. your blood levels will be up and down too much. your basically running 6 week cycles with a bridge in between

**Billy_Bathgate** · 01-22-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Jyzza
750mg a week of sus is for a Front Load. When I stop sus it will still be working for next 2 weeks after that. + the reason why sus 250 gives you unstable blood levels is du to fast acting exters in which case I follow that w/ eod prop I think it works out good. D-BOL is only taken w/ prop for 4 weeks thats it bro.

No its doesnt work like that. You take sust and you have long acting esters in there which are going to peak later on about half way and then just drop off. So midway your gonna have this wierd hill shaped curve in it and then its gonna drop back down to 350 of prop, then drop to 0 then go back up.

You have a roller coaster ride for your T levels. That is not how you make great cycles.

I know what you said about dbol for 4 wks. I am telling you it would be much better to do the Dbol for 6wks then continue running the test for another 8 wks with 8wks of OX. ABout the only thing the ox is going to do is possibly prevent you losing all of your gains when your test levels drop down to nothign for your 3 wk break.

Stopping the test for breaks makes no since either. The only point to do that would be for recovery. Your pretty much just gonna waste your gains there. The Ox may help with the catabolic state your body will be in...but there is much better ways to do it.

If you wanna do a 6 on 3 off thing do it the right way.

Prop wks 1-6
Dbol or OX wks 1-6
7-10 Clomid! Optional 10AM dbol and/or low dose Var (<25mg)

Then repeat. AS much as you may think you are giving your body a break, your not. Being with very low T levels is also stressful on the body (thats how HRT got invented).

I see your point of what your doing. I dont totally agree with it as I think a 10on/6 off would be a better approach but still.

To keep it pretty much how you have it, I would drop the Sust and Up the prop. 350mg/wk isnt gonna do much anyways. 700mg/wk (with even a 1400mg frontload) would be much, much better. Extend the dbol out to 6wks. Then do clomid during your 3 off weeks. HCG @ 500iu's E5D isnt gonna do much more than keep your testicles inflated. I would wait till the 6th wk and then run it 500iu's for that week or something similar to that. Then the 7th week start your clomid.

By the time you get to the 11th week to restart, you wont be fully recovered, but maybe enough to make this worthwhile.

As you have it though, letting your T levels ride up and down and then to 0 and then repeating isnt gonna be much easier on your body than running test for the entire time at an even level. It may even be harder on you.

Do as you will though. Good luck and give us an update.

**iamdwalrus** · 01-22-2003, 05:59 PM

I don't understand the logic on running ox on Weeks 7-10 and 17-20. Why not run it straight through ox is an oral that actually improves liver function according to studies. And a seesaw spike in your T levels only invites unwanted side-effects like gyno, you could be inviting disaster. Like my pal Billy said it appears your mind is made up so exercise your free-will. It would be of interest what happens, so an update every now and again would be appreciated.

**Jyzza** · 01-22-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by iamdwalrus
I don't understand the logic on running ox on Weeks 7-10 and 17-20. Why not run it straight through ox is an oral that actually improves liver function according to studies. And a seesaw spike in your T levels only invites unwanted side-effects like gyno, you could be inviting disaster. Like my pal Billy said it appears your mind is made up so exercise your free-will. It would be of interest what happens, so an update every now and again would be appreciated.

I would run Ox during the times that I'm not injecting so my muscles loss will be minimal. I did the normal length cycles and now I want something diffrent. I will keep you guys updated.

I started the cycle 3 weeks ago. Actually today was my first day of week 4. The first one I'm not running any GH. I will start running GH in 1 month.
So far so good, I'm up 8-10lbs and getting leaner.

I can take your advice and drop sus 250 and just do Prop 1-6. I'm planing staying on that for 10 months or so.

Billy::::::: You say to take Prop 100mg ED you don't think that would be much bro??

**Jyzza** · 01-22-2003, 06:15 PM

forgot to add the logic on running ox on Weeks 7-10 and 17-20 is money

**iamdwalrus** · 01-22-2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Jyzza
I would run Ox during the times that I'm not injecting so my muscles loss will be minimal. I did the normal length cycles and now I want something diffrent. I will keep you guys updated.

I started the cycle 3 weeks ago. Actually today was my first day of week 4. The first one I'm not running any GH. I will start running GH in 1 month.
So far so good, I'm up 8-10lbs and getting leaner.

I can take your advice and drop sus 250 and just do Prop 1-6. I'm planing staying on that for 10 months or so.

Billy::::::: You say to take Prop 100mg ED you don't think that would be much bro??

Good to see your getting good results so far. I've run Testolent(phenylprop, half-life of roughly 79 hours) at 100mg ed and was great, it's not too much IMO.

**Jyzza** · 01-22-2003, 06:29 PM

I just wanted to do low dosages since I'll be on for so long.

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