Need some help planning my first cycle(bulker)

[omoore61]

Ok guys ive been trying to decide on which i should run my *first* cycle, it will be a bulker. I am 5'11, 175 lbs and my body fat is well below 10%. Im thinking of doing a sust only cycle 500mg for 10 weeks. I dont think ill have to worry about gyno with this cycle but i would still have nolva on hand just in case. Clomid 3 weeks after my last sust shot in with these dosages : 300mg day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21.

My other option is a test enth cycle 500mg for 10 weeks. I think i would need to run nolva throughout the cycle at 10mg e/d as a preventive measure. What other anti-e's should i be running with the nolva and at what dose? I would still follow the clomid dose 3 weeks later with this as in the above cycle.

What do you guys think? Am i missing anything important here? Im trying to keep it simple for my first cycle that is why i am not stacking. I would appreciate any input/help with this.....

- Glen

[omoore61]

haha, thanks man. Its gotta go though, it gets too much attention from cops if you know what i mean Ive been reading up on this stuff for quite some time now. 9/10 times the questions i have can be answered by a search or two.....

[AnabolX Mike P.T.]

Definately did your research and it's nice to see someone not boatloading on over a gram worth of gear for their first cycle. Anyway the only thing I don't get is that for sus you said you didn't need to run an anti-e but for your test enanthate option cycle you would. Test is test. True you would get slightly more mg content of pure test with the enanthate as you don't have as many esters taking up total mg content but test is still test.

[AnabolX Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by estanozolol
Actually I've heard that enanthate will bloat you more. Somebody check me on this. Because sust has 4 esters, there is never an abundance of any one ester in your system. With enanthate, it's ALL enanthate in your system and you bloat more. Can anyone else verify this?

Well it's not the esters that bloat you it's the test. The only reason test enanthate may bloat you a little more is because like I said you get more actual test with the test enanthate since their is only one ester which doesn't end up taking up as much mg content whereas the sus has four esters with each ester taking up total mg content.

[omoore61]

I guess the reason i said that is because from what ive read in different drug profiles is that sust will give you less water retention and estrogenic side effects. I didnt necessarily mean that i wouldnt take any anti-e I just wouldnt be as worried about it as i would with enan or cyp.

[AnabolX Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by estanozolol
Then how come people don't bloat on prop?

Holy shit hell yeah people bloat up on prop! The only ones that don't are either the ones that aren't prone to being bloated. The ones that are so naturally cut up already. The ones taking anti-estrogens. The ones on fat burners and dieting.(This one is the biggest reason since along with anti-estrogens people usually diet taking prop so of course they don't get as bloated or bloated at all.) Lastly it depends on the doseage too. Remember bro everyone is different and handles steroids different but test is still test. That doesn't change.

[AnabolX Mike P.T.]

Really quick just a simple little breakdown.

Test is test. In order for it to stay longer in the system certain tests have esters attached to them. That's all the esters do. For example. Test suspension doesn't stay long in the system and it's just pure test. 100mg test suspension = 100mg test

100mg test enanthate comes out to more like 70mg(rough estimate - their are charts for it though) of pure test since the ester accounts for total mg content as well. It doesn't change what test is. Only how long it stays in the system.

[AnabolX Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by estanozolol
I guess I could be wrong but from what I always hear, people say they bloat less on prop. I've also heard the theory that I stated above mentioned more than once.

I've also heard it too bro from people but again remember we always hear so many different things. Everyone is different. Shit I know skinny mofo's that don't bloat up on anadrol. It's because they are so lean that it just makes them look so damn good. See. Everyone is different. Also think of total doseages.... On average when people take test prop they are taking 100mg eod(which comes to just 400mg every 8 days) along with some thing else like winny and or fina. Plus they are dieting and taking fat burners. Try taking 150mg eod of prop while not being naturally lean already without anti-estrogens and see if you don't get bloated from it. Especially if you're eating a "see food" diet.

[AnabolX Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by estanozolol
I can't keep going back and forth because I don't have any research that proves me right or wrong. So I'll end this one with a shoulder shrug...

Yeah no biggie.

[omoore61]

Ok guys, i think i have it all planned out. weeks 1-10 500mg of test enan. I will be running .25mg e/d l-dex with it to help with the bloating. If i see gyno symptoms i would start the nolva at 40mg/ed for 5 days or until the symptoms subside then 20mg/ed for the remainder of the cycle. Would i keep my l-dex at the same dose if i did need to start the nolva? Post cycle would be 300mg day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21 of clomid. Do you guys recommend any hcg toward the end of my cycle to keep the ladies happy? thanks again

- Glen

[gumbotong]

bump

[AdrockTT]

Bump from your old buddy adrock

[jack hust]

i do not think you need hcg for a short cycle and that dose