Would you use DNP?

[newbie]

I read a post on this board about a guy who started dnp and died 2 months later. He was on another board but someone here new him. I can't remember his name but there was a link to his last post. Then after 2 months his girlfriend posted his death at some other board. Anyways the shit scares me and I'll never take it. I can't cut to save my life. I put on muscle pretty easily but with it comes the fat. I'll just stick with clen/ t3 and the e.c.a. stack.

[rado]

nope and wont

[Akamai]

Have used it off and on for about 7 years. If you are disciplined and intelligent about it is safe enough. I use it mainly in my bulk phase with insulin so i csn consume large quantities and not gain much fat.

[MUCH BIGGER]

DNP is the best for dropping the last stubborn pounds in a cutting cycle. It is the best...

[3Vandoo]

DNP is the best fucking fat burner out there.

Unfortunately, the best with the worse effect, I stopped using it, at the end of 2002 and I will never use it again.

Why? first, it yellowed my eyes' crystals!
What does it mean? That I would be victim of cataract in 25-30 years.

And my crystals were perfect before DNP!

[roidjuice]

Originally posted by 3Vandoo
DNP is the best fucking fat burner out there.

Unfortunately, the best with the worse effect, I stopped using it, at the end of 2002 and I will never use it again.

Why? first, it yellowed my eyes' crystals!
What does it mean? That I would be victim of cataract in 25-30 years.

And my crystals were perfect before DNP!

What are the cyrstals in your eyes and at what dosage were you taking DNP?

[Maxhardc]

DNP is a very old diet drug. It used to be sold in Mexico back in the 50's and 60's. But yes its so bad they took it of the market.

A good deal of energy made in the human body is made in the mitochondria of cells. These mitochondria use oxygen and protons (hydrogen atoms from NADH) to make water; [Couple protons and an oxygen make H2O or water].

The energy of this reaction is utilized to fuel the creation of ATP. ATP is a chemical responsible for fueling allot of reactions in the body. One can think of ATP as monetary equivalents of energy. Like a five dollar bill fuels purchases (and bizarre sex acts in Boys Town Mexico) - ATP will fuel chemical activity in the body. Basically we use ATP for energy... To do a bench press, we will need allot of ATP to pay for energy required to handle the movement.

Most of your ATP is produced within the mitochondria, (inside the cell). As I mentioned before, Hydrogen protons are hooked up to oxygen to form water - in the process, we get allot of ATP production. Its actually the MAGNETIC attraction of hydrogen protons to the electro-negative gradient of oxygen that becomes the energy to form ATP. More specifically, its the flow of electrons through the electron-transport-chain in the intermembrane of mitochondria that results in the pumping of protons thereby providing the energy for ATP synthesis.

“free radicals”; or, unbalanced molecules create this electromagnetic potential that fuel energy production. But in the end, the radicals meet and balance each other out. If they didnt, free radicals can cause tissue damage and even cancers. Something DNP can do!

DNP gets in the mitochondria and scrubs the hydrogen protons out of there. As a result, ADP never forms into ATP. As the ADP backs up, the body is told to turn up its metabolism/respiration.

You see, the rate of respiration (oxygen consumption) in mitochondria is under tight regulation; it is limited by the availability of ADP [the step before ATP formation]. The more ADP you have sitting around, the faster respiration/oxygen consumption. And it goes up real fast as ADP goes up! Like I said, its under very tight regulation!

AS the DNP steals protons, the ADP backs up - This sends cellular respiration through the roof!!! Thus the energy used by cells goes up thereby sequestering more and more food, fat and energy consumption!

The side-effect is the accumulation of unmatched free radicals! Remember, the DNP steals away the protons and that leaves an unmatched free radical behind. That is why DNP leads to tissue damage, cataracts, and eventually cancers.

Energy usage goes through the roof - but free radicals accumulate like mad! You would have to massive amounts of free radical scrubbers or antioxidants. And probably take a strong antioxidant drop for the eyes - or else you will get cataracts!

Interestingly enough, there is a special fat - brown fat - where this happens all the time. But rather than forming ATP, the protons are used to create heat. In summary, brown fat burns energy and fats to form heat. Clenbuterol works by stimulating the energy release in brown fat. Its too bad humans dont have much brown fat - that is why animals, (which have allot of brown fat) will lose weight on Clen where humans get limited results.

[Maxhardc]

3Vandoo:

If a patient was going to do it, they should probably receive daily infusions of vitamin E, selenium, glutathione, as well as glutathione eye drops.

[roidjuice]

Wow, I'm so glad i paid attention in Bio class. I actually remember the ADP ATP transport chain... 10 years later!

[Maxhardc]

Roid good job

We also studied that in biochemistry in med school because its study facilitates the understanding of how the mitochondria make ATP.

The mitochondria will take the protons off NADH and FADH2, and stuff them into a pocket... Much like blowing a balloon up. Once the balloon is blown up, you can let loose of the nozzle, and air pours out WITH FORCE. If you trap the force of that air coming out of the balloon, you can covert it into some mechanical energy…. Turn a windmill, which can in turn stone, and crush grain into flour…and so on.

The mitochondria will fill a balloon up too. But rather than with air, it fills its balloon up with protons, (H+ molecules). Then it allows the protons to squirt out of a little molecular nozzle. The force created by the protons rushing to escape, (pmf), are converted into energy to convert ADP into ATP (the chemiosmotic hypothesis). ATP of course are the preferred energy packages, (energy currency), your body uses to get work done.

The electrons and protons associated with this exchange are then added to awaiting oxygen molecules, thus forming water.

As DNP steals the protons away, the electron gradient and ADP substrates go up through the roof. The delicate feedback mechanisms of the mitochondria realize that the ADP is backing up and decides to turn up the metabolism, (respiration), in an effort to resolve the dilemma. This process fuels the production of heat in one particular human fat cell – The brown fat cell.

As DNP steals protons, it leaves a whole bunch of unpaired electrons and a host of free radical molecules in its wake. In fact, so many free radical residues occur that eventually, the patient begins to suffer from the damage caused by these highly charged particles. The risk includes cardiovascular disease, certain forms of cancer, diabetes, and cataracts.

On a side note:

It is very interesting how exercise increases oxidative stress, and puts cardiac output up to dangerous levels. Because of this, I have actually heard other doctors suggest that people without any significant health problems avoid exercise....

Traditional Chinese medicine even suggests that high output exercise is too much yang - and thus sends the bodies harmony out of whack.

So why then do we say exercise is "good for you". One of Dr Cooper's exercise studies, (the aerobic guru), actually demonstrated that exercise was indeed bad for you physiologically. What of that?

I know that sometimes chronic illness patients get sicker after exercising - What should I think about that?

Think about the dilemma I am suggesting here... On one hand we know that exercise helps chronic illness patients live longer and healthier lives - in other cases, we know that it makes them sicker! So how do we go about sorting this all out?

I would like to suggest that "overtraining" and "over reach" are in fact responsible for making people unhealthy. In my estimation, a good program is one that takes that into account, and keeps the patient just short of those detrimental effects. Moreover, there are things and techniques to employ to mollify the side-effects associated with exercise training.

Perhaps there are things to mollify the side-effects of DNP as well... Maybe not - Maybe the cure makes you sicker than the condition.

Max

[roidjuice]

A lot of good points in the end of your post. I agree with you on a lot of them I think it comes down to the individual and their limitations which will determine whether exercise is good for you.

[raybravo]

first of all , for those who said t3 and clen is the max they would use .
1)contrary to thyroxine, dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart.
2)dinitrophenol does not reduce cardiac glycogen at all ,unlike thyroxine.
3)thyroxine reduces bone density .dnp doesnt .
4)thyroxine burns muscle and fatigues the heart, unlike dnp which causes lipid loss , it is the elimination of reserve materials without attacking visceral and muscle tissue.

now , few more points :
.L. Schulte and M.L. Tainter wrote, "it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardiovascular system. Even when the basal metabolism is found elevated to significant levels, there is no change in the rhythm of the pulse (Rosenblum).

DNP is also not toxic to the liver at all , and btw , for those who keep talking about how u can die from dnp , u cannot , You die from dehydration resulting in heat exhaustion and then heat stroke.

[3Vandoo]

I was taking, everything in the book, from the selenium to the millions of gallons of water a day, to vit e to clycerol etc etc.

It was 400mg crystal a day.

and the crystals in the eyes are what let pass the light in.

[Mudge]

Now that I am somewhat educated on it, I would not be afraid of a week long moderate use to see how I react. Since I have not tried it I cannot vote on the poll, depsite the subject saying "would you use DNP."

[Hyperlite]

I thinks its an awsome supplement, when used in moderation of course