Is tren a killer?

[AceDaBoss]

Originally posted by Breezed_one
Now I have a bottle of ala...whats the difference between that and r-ala? And will my ala not give the protection fonz is talking about..?
From fonz's post: Run immune boosters, such as 7-Keto DHEA(P7)(Transdermal application has better bio-availibility...so less is needed than oral) or orally(300mg/day) and Green Tea(1-2g/day),and ALcar(3g/day)
That gets rid of the immunosuppression.

Anyone know of ALcar..I did a google search and cant find anything..Looking to get some as everything else he talked about I have and is leagal is alcar not? Thanks...

What you are looking for is Acetyl L-Carnitine. Yes it is legal and available at most health Food Stores. And it is expensive as HELL! So get ready to fork out some Cash. R-ALA I believe is the natural form of ALA (Alpha lipoic acid) but I believe there is a difference.

Check out the website under Glucorell

https://www.anabolicfitness.net

(AF Store)

[chaos mage]

Arch Toxicol. 1988;61(4):249-58. Related Articles, Links


The genotoxicity of trenbolone, a synthetic steroid.

Richold M.

Huntingdon Research Centre, Cambs, England.

Trenbolone, a synthetic androgen is used as a growth promotant in animal husbandry. Because of its steroidal structure and properties it has been extensively evaluated in a series of in vitro and in vivo assays to assess its genotoxic and initiating properties. Both the parent molecule 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone and its metabolite 17-alpha-hydroxy-trenbolone, produced only in cattle, have been tested. 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone was not genotoxic in the Ames Salmonella/microsome assay, cytogenetics assays in human lymphocytes and CHO cells, a micronucleus assay in CHO cells, a DNA repair synthesis assay in HeLa cells, mammalian cell mutation assays with CHO and V79 cells, the mouse micronucleus assay, rat bone marrow or spermatogonial cytogenetics assays or in a test for initiators in the rat. In the mouse lymphoma cell mutation assay with L 5178Y TK+/- cells, equivocal responses were obtained, particularly at highly toxic concentrations. With 17-alpha-hydroxy-trenbolone a weak positive response was obtained in the L5178Y Tk +/- assay, particularly at highly toxic concentrations. Negative results were obtained in the Ames Salmonella/microsome assay, the cytogenetics assays using both human lymphocytes in vitro and rat bone marrow in vivo, the DNA repair assay and in the CHO mammalian cell mutation assay. It was also negative in the in vivo test for initiators. From this extensive battery of data, and also taking into account published data on trenbolone, it is concluded that 17-alpha-hydroxytrenbolone and 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone are devoid of genotoxic activity and are not initiators of cancer.

[Akamai]

Just an observation and hunch. Ive only experienced the"cough" with using one "brand" of kits since switching havent had one bout. I suspect its a response to one of the solvant in the mix.

Im not going to name which kit cause Im not absolutley positve.
But it might be interesting to do a poll and see which kits people experience the cough while using.

[Breezed_one]

Thanks for the link bass

[BIG N]

i dont get it,how can his lungs be full of scar tissue ????how did his lungs have scartissue ???did scar tissue form glytes and delts travel to his lungs in sme way ???is tehr eany explanation to this and was that the real resaon for stk death??or justaome rumor of some sort

[LOCO]

i got a really bad (chronic) cough last time i got off tren (my 1st tren cycle 7.5 weeks 100mg/ed)... for about 2 months i was coughing constatly (dry cough) and it felt like i had something sitting in my chest all the time.. i felt something in there... it's been 3 months now, and i'm starting to feel better and cough less.... i'm not a smoker and i barely get sick too...
reading this post made me actually think that it might be from the tren.... i'm planing of doing another tren cycle soon.. i'll let u guys know if it comes back (the cough)....

[LOCO]

at CJM they also talked about it: http://www.canadianjuicemonsters.com...ighlight=cough

[nmk85roll]

I'm in my 4th weeks of tren right now. I'm probably running somewhere around 60mg per day, due to loss in conversion. Either way, I haven't had any problems at all, no cough, no joint issues, no shortness of breath, and I sleep like a baby. I'm probably lucky, but the bottom line is this...

Everything can be dangerous when used excesively. Advil can kill you if you swallow the whole bottle. Alcohol will kill you if you drink two handles of 151 in a night. The main thing is to be responsible when you are doing things.

NMK

[prolangtum]

Id be more worried about acute acetamenaphein poisoning, or getting in a car wreck, or something. Odds are they will kill you even if you took tren everyday for the rest of your life.

[warpalien]

i love fina. i want more of it. every day. my arms have gotten huge. my girlfriend pointed it out to me, i thought it was just my imagination. no hairline problems. no cough. nothing, i dont think the sides are as "potent" as some people say if you keep your dose reasonable. :P

[chaos mage]

I agree, the hardness and lean mass accrual from tren is unparalleled. But you get what you pay for. It makes me feel like shit and the pumps are just unbearable. I can only use it for 3-4 weeks max.

[Miracle Man]

A perfect example of more is not better. 300mg ed is CRAZY...RIP

[njjuicer]

i went to docs this mor from wheezeing liek amofo huge hives all over coudlnt touch my fac ewitout breaking out when trheyd go theyd come abck ym hdns would swell and shit im stayin away form fina now tren ive done to it didnt do this to me but i dotn wanan fuck wit shit liek that no more good luck!

[njjuicer]

100 mg eod bye the way whatsi was on

[deepinu]

Look....bottom line when you play with fire you get burned..As far as AAS go if you are well informed about the ins and outs of AAS use (and any drug for that matter) you are going into a realm where you know you can come out with serious life threatening consequences..I have done numerous cycles of tren and other AAS...I have a kidney condition that i am recovering from now . Was it due to AAS?..Probably..Was it tren?.maybe it was...But i knew that this could happen..So im dealing with it..Alot of people are in denial but Ill be the first to tell you this..."AAS CAN FUCK YOU UP" Will i ever take AAS again?...Considering i get a clean bill of health from my doc ..I will go back on..But i know what precautions to take and even with that being said there is nothing that can protect you 100% there is always a margin for error..And they say if something can go wrong it will..These are the chances we take..You play to win..There are alot of people out there in denial about this Tren situation..Maybe it isnt a killer, and theres isnt enough scientifical evidence to show that it IS OR ISNT a killer..But I see alot of people putting on blinders just because they dont wanna stop there little Tren cycle...Point is there is not enough long term evidence to see what this drug really does to you in the long term..And all in all its not the AAS that kills people its that person that sticks that daily 1 1/2 23 gauge pin with 3 cc's that does the killin...If you dont like your odds dont roll the dice..theres no such thing as a sure thing