Would you all recommend HCG for 12 week cycle?

[Lift Chief]

12 week test only cycle...

ICNs

500mg per week for 12 weeks
1000mg frontload on day 1

Would you recommend HCG for this cycle or is it not needed?

[mcbvr6]

Not needed (unless you are trying to get someone pregnant).

[rado]

he just might....

[HeHateMe]

Probably not needed, but...

If you have the cash, it can't hurt to throw it in mid-cycle/post-cycle or both. I know I'll include it with all my cycles from here on in. It can only help with recovery, so why not use it?

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by HeHateMe
Probably not needed, but...

If you have the cash, it can't hurt to throw it in mid-cycle/post-cycle or both. I know I'll include it with all my cycles from here on in. It can only help with recovery, so why not use it?

I disagree. This is the same as "more is better". Throughing HCG in when it is not necessary doesn't make any sense. With every hormone you take there are risks; why take a risk for no benefit. More importantly, HCG is not going to help you on a short cycle like 12 weeks. First, the clomid will not work as long as the hcg is present because it will not think it is necessary. The hcg tricks your body into thinking everything is alright when it is not. So you are actually slowing your recovery. Second, hcg produces gyno risk, requiring the use of nolvadex to be safe. Now you are using two more drugs that shouldn't be necessary.

If you are on a LONG and HEAVY cycle (12 weeks of test at 500 mgs is neither) then you may want to use hcg to keep the atrophy from getting to a point where it will take many months to recover. For low dose cycles of short to medium range, there isn't any benefit - only risk.

[AnotherUser]

Are you saying that clmid is used for post-cycle recovery and nolvadex is used to combat gyno so you would have to use both? Wrong. They're both antiestrogens. Use one or the other. Both help with post-cycle recovery, both prevent gyno.

[Flipmcneil]

Clomid does not prevent gyno.

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by AnotherUser
Are you saying that clmid is used for post-cycle recovery and nolvadex is used to combat gyno so you would have to use both? Wrong. They're both antiestrogens. Use one or the other. Both help with post-cycle recovery, both prevent gyno.

I purposely tried to stay away from the clomid/nolvadex argument because it will likely never be resolved (not on these boards anyway). However, if you think they are the same - good luck with that (If you start to get gyno, go ahead and take clomid for it, let us all know how that works).

It is my belief that clomid is better at restoring natural test production, and nolvadex is better at blocking estrogen. There is no reason to get into why I think that to respond to your comment.

If you are taking hcg, there is gyno risk, right?
If you are taking something that causes gyno risk you should take nolvadex to block it, right?
If, for sake of argument, you accept that clomid is better at restoring natural test production, then you would take it post cycle, right?
At this point you are taking all three, with no need for two of them. That's my point. If you care to debate it, fine, but please at least be able to back up what you say.

[rado]

some of you should read this post, very good info...

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6952

[AnotherUser]

Gives this a quick look over:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=6&pageID=72

Why do you think that two antiestrogens of the same class work that much differently? Oh well. Nolvadex works just fine for me post cycle.