THERMOREXIN! Save your money!

[goliath.jr]

I purchased a bottle of thermorexin last week and I'm pissed! This crap costs 5 times more than the ECA that I use and it has done fuck all! *NO* appetite supression. *NO* thermogenesis. *NO* increased energy. What a load of crap! I feel totally ripped off. My wife weights all of 105 lbs and she took 2 caps and felt nothing. Maybe if I ate 6 at a time I might feel a little something! Bro's save your money - this stuff isn't worth 5 bucks, much less $100.

I eat 2 ECA and sweat like a pig sitting still in an air conditioned room. I eat 3 of these and feel comfortable walking around out in the sun. What a load of crap - I'm so pissed!

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
Is this a regular supp from a Vitamin store? Or is it some type of drug?

it's something that they are hyping the hell out of on other boards. it's *supposed* to be a thermogenic. i purchased it at anabolicfitness.net - an otc supplement shop. after reading all the reviews i thought it would be great stuff and didn't mind dropping the *special* discount price of $68 after shipping. man - what a rip off...

[rado]

from the looks of it and contents, seems like a kick ass product...


why haven't you asked for your money back...

THERMOREXIN
Thermorexin creates a complete thermogenic, anorectic and lipolytic environment to allow for optimal fat burning. What this means is that it increases your metabolism, helps manage your appetite and increases the use of stored fats for energy. In addition, Thermorexin provides mild nootropic effects will increase your focus in the gym.

WE DO NOT SHIP THIS TO CANADA, SORRY

CONTACT YOUR BOARD ADMIN FOR A DISCOUNT COUPON CODE OR ********

Ingredients per capsule:

Thermogen and anorectant complex:

Synephrine hcl: 10mg
Synephrine is an alpha 1 agonist. Its main purpose is appetite suppression. It also has some mild thermogenic effects.

Caffeine USP: 100 mg
Caffeine is a basic part of most thermogenic stacks, it produces most of its effects by raising Cyclic AMP levels. In conjunction with other thermogens it has been shown to be more effective.

Yohimbine hcl: 3mg
Yohimbine is an alpha 2 antagonist. It is main effects are lipolysis of stubborn fats. It does this by blockin the A2 which is like an off switch for fat burning in those stubborn areas. It also has mild appetite suppressive effects

Theophylline: 30mg
Theophylline, derived from a 25% black tea extract, is a methylxanthine similar to caffeine. However it is also a mild beta adrenoceptor agonist. It provides mild stimulation, beta receptor related thermogenesis and bronchiodilation for improved cardio output

Green tea (98%): 50mg
Green tea extract provides 30mg (60%) of ecgc, a thermogenic enhancing polyphenol. Studies show significant increase in basal metabolic rate with green tea, significantly more when combined with other thermogens.

Nootropic and Focus Intensification Complex:

2-oxo-pyrrolidone: 50mg
Also known as piracetam, this is one of the most well researched nootropics. While its exact mechanism of action remains in contention its positive impact on memory and neurological function, which is often impaired while dieting, are undisputed.

DMAE: 40mg
DMAE is a precursor to acetylcholine the main neurotransmitter in the human brain. Supplementation with DMAE has been shown to increase neuromuscular performance as well as providing a direct but mild stimulatory effect which acts to reduce perceived exertion.

Vinpocetine: 3mg
Vinpocetine increases blood flow to the brain as well as increasing levels of noradrenaline and dopamine which increases mental energy and focus.

Acetyl-l-Carnitine: 50mg
Acetyl-l-Carnitine is a co-factor and regulator of a number of biological reactions that are important both for lipolysis and neural function including the synthesis of acetylcholine. It has been shown in numerous studies to improve the levels of beneficial neurotransmitters as well as upregulating their receptors. It has positive impact on thyrotropin (thyroid) and growth hormone releasing factors.

Acetyl-tyrosine: 50mg
A more biologically active form of tyrosine which is a precursor for dopamine and norepinephrine that are among the "fat burning" and appetite control neurotransmitters. It was added because Tyrosine is often depleted with "fat burner" use. Tyrosine is also essential for the synthesis of thyroid hormone.

Lipolytic Environment Complex:

Glucorell R®: 10mg/40mcg
Glucorell R consisting of 10mg of R+ alpha lipoic and 40mcg of biotin. GlucorellR has been shown to lower plasma insulin levels which is essential for fat burning. It is even more important with the use of fat burners since they can cause plasma insulin to rise as they "access" glycogen stores. The addition of Glucorell R takes care of the problem.

Additional Ingredients:

Kelp: 40mg

Kelp is rich in iodine and helps to maintain proper thyroid function which is essential for fat loss and energy.

Rhodiola Rosea (3% rosavins): 50mg

Rhodiola Rosea, also known as arctic root, is a powerful adaptogen. It has been shown in clinical trials to help maintain neurotransmitter production, endurance, and stave off depression (which is a common cause of cravings as high sugar meals raise serotonin levels). It also may have some benefits with respect to erectile function, which has been reported by testers of Thermorexin.

Bioperine®: 5mg

Bioperine is a black pepper extract that has been clinically shown to improve the uptake of nutrients

Ginger root extract: 3mg
Ginger root has been shown to improve uptake of nutrients, though by a slightly different method than bioperine. There is an additive effect, with respect to absorption, when they are used in conjunction.

MINERAL COMPLEX:

Zinc 4mg
Immune function and hormone maintenance. Also helps with tanning, essential for melanin production
Magnesesium 30mg
prevents cramping from heavy exercise and electrolyte depletion, may have benefits with respect to hormone levels
Copper 750mcg
Immune function, also important for melanin production.

Vitamin B1- Thiamine 5mg
Thiamin enhances circulation and helps with the metabolism of carbohydrates. It is also required for the health of the nervous system and is used in the biosynthesis of the neurotransmittersacetylcholine and gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA).

Vitamin B3- as co-factor Nicotinamide 10mg
Nicotinamide, via its major metabolite NAD++ (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide), is involved in a wide range of biological processes but most importantly the production of energy.

Vitamin B5- as d-calcium pantothenate 10mg
d-calcium pantothenate is important for the production of the essential cofactor called Coenzyme A. Coenzyme A is necessary for production of steroid hormones and cholesterol. Coenzyme A is also necessary for some of the more important enzymatic processes include the break down and use of carbohydrates and fats. (ie. glycogenolysis, glycolysis, lipolysis, peroxisomal and mitochondrial beta oxidation, and the TCA energy producing cycle )


Vitamin B6- as co-factor Piridoxal-5-phosphate 3mg
Piridoxal-5-phosphate is the active form of vitamin B-6, it is essential for protein synthesis and lipid metabolism. P-5-P has additional benefits with respect to heart health, influence on homcysteine levels, and on reducing pre-menstrual symptoms likely due to its effects on neurotransmitter synthesis.

Vitamin B12- cyanocobalimin 300mcg 5000%
Cyanocobalamin is a Powerful blood building factor. It is a key nutrient for new growth. It is Important factor in maintaining health of nervous system, including brain cells. Cyanocobalamin is also necessary for normal digestion, absorption of foods, protein synthesis and carbohydrate and fat metabolism.

Vitamin C 50mg

Vitamin C is required in the synthesis of collagen in connective tissue, neurotransmitters, steroid hormones, carnitine, conversion of cholesterol to bile acids and enhances iron bioavailability. Ascorbic acid is a great antioxidant and helps protect the body against free radicals released during exercise and dieting.
Ephedra Free Formula



Contains: 180 Capsules
Take 1-2 capsules 3 times daily
But DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE the first time you take it.
This is a very powerful diet system.
DO NOT TAKE THIS PRODUCT WITH ANY OTHER THERMOGENIC

https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=59&cartID=551b2dc75bc7054dcaac6a300d4637f5&subcat=26669

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by rado
from the looks of it and contents, seems like a kick ass product...

i know man - i thought it would be a great product. hell - maybe my wife and i are just non-responders.

[rado]

Originally posted by goliath.jr
i know man - i thought it would be a great product. hell - maybe my wife and i are just non-responders.

your weight could have something to do with it...normally when those companies put a "Rec. Dose" to take, well guys that weigh 235lbs and up need to take more than a guy that weighs 190lbs...have you tried a higher dose?

[BullFX]

i belive u , most likely another useless product...

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by rado
your weight could have something to do with it...normally when those companies put a "Rec. Dose" to take, well guys that weigh 235lbs and up need to take more than a guy that weighs 190lbs...have you tried a higher dose?

if i take 3, i can feel it. but i'm just pissed off because it's so expensive. at their recommended dose i don't feel anything. if i take 3, i feel a little warm and tingly, sweat a little - but nothing like the 'buckets' of sweat everyone else was talking about. i don't have ANY appetite suppression though. VERY little anxiety/energy. i just think it's being over hyped. if ECA works for you, stick with it because it's better than this product and 1/5 the price.

[rado]

Originally posted by goliath.jr
if i take 3, i can feel it. but i'm just pissed off because it's so expensive. at their recommended dose i don't feel anything. if i take 3, i feel a little warm and tingly, sweat a little - but nothing like the 'buckets' of sweat everyone else was talking about. i don't have ANY appetite suppression though. VERY little anxiety/energy. i just think it's being over hyped. if ECA works for you, stick with it because it's better than this product and 1/5 the price.

I hear you...did you put it on your CC?

I would dispute it, you can do that....get your money back then...at that rate like you said, your better off with some ECA and less $$$ too.

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by rado
I hear you...did you put it on your CC?

I would dispute it, you can do that....get your money back then...at that rate like you said, your better off with some ECA and less $$$ too.

i'm not gonna go through all that trouble, besides, i did *willingly* pay for it.

i just want to tell everyone my experience with it to give people another perspective. they are hyping the shit out of it on * cough* another board. well, the mods and seller are.

so take the hype with a grain of salt bro's. it works, but certainly no better than eca - and it is not worth 100 bucks!

[rado]

Originally posted by goliath.jr
not worth 100 bucks!

thx G

[bufflildude]

thanks...was going to try it, gona hold off now

buff

[darmadoc]

Good info, I'll avoid the stuff and save some money.

[newone]

Originally posted by Turbo3000
I was thinking about giving it a try, won't now. Thanks.

goliath.jr thanks for the feedback.

[firstenrgy]

Sounds like hype to me. It's the flavor of the day I guess. There are some interesting ingredients but at that price, not for me. Heres an article:

Ephedrine vs. Synephrine
By Alan E. Shugarman, MS, RD

This information was published in Flex Magazine, October 1999 issue, in the Advanced Nutrition section.

Since very little published research compares supplementation of ephedrine to synephrine in lean individuals, I set up a study at the University of Utah that compared these two compounds to one another as well as to a placebo. The test formulations contained either 24 milligrams (mg) of ephedrine or 10 mg of synephrine. These are the common supplement industry dosages of ephedrine and synephrine.

Both formulas also included 300 mg of caffeine, 12 mg of yohimbe and 200 mg of quercetin.The synephrine mixture also contained 50 mg of Scizonopeta tenuifolla and Ledebouriella divaricata, two Chinese herbs known to produce a warming effect. The study was a double blind, placebo controlled crossover design, and used 20 young healthy subjects, 10 men and 10 women. Resting metabolic rate, respiratory exchange ration, body care temperature, heart rate and blood pressure were measured.

Resting metabolic rate increased significantly with the ephedrine mix versus placebo. The synephrine formula did not significantly elevate resting metabolic rate for any one 15 minute period during the 195 minutes of measurement.

However, by crudely extrapolating the 195 minutes of collected data over a 24 hour period, both the ephedrine and synephrine formulations showed a significant increase in total resting metabolic rate when compared to the placebo. Respiratory exchange ration decreased significantly toward fat burning with only the ephedrine formulation versus placebo. Body core temperature increased greatly with both the ephedrine and the synephrine formulas compared to the placebo. Heart rate was elevated considerably with the ephedrine versus placebo, but not with the synephrine. Blood pressure was elevated significantly following both formulations versus the placebo.

The bottom line here is that although the synephrine formulation seemed to have a mild effect, the ephedrine formulation outperformed synephrine across the board for elevating metabolic rate and shifting respiratory exchange ration toward fat burning. When you compare a synephrine based mixture to an ephedrine based one for fat burning potential, the ephedrine formulations appear to have the edge, based on available research.

Synephrine and ephedrine act differently upon alpha and beta adrenergic receptor sites. Ephedrine is an indirect and direct acting beta agonist with relatively slight activation of the alpha receptors; synephrine is a direct acting alpha agonist with relatively slight activation of beta receptors, via release of norepinephrine and epinephrine. This is important when attempting to determine the potential for fat burning, because the bottom line is that beta receptors, especially beta-3 receptors, are the key to burning fat.

Admittedly, in this study, the dosage of ephedrine and synephrine in each formulation was not equivalent, so these data cannot be considered conclusive; however, those who tout synephrine as superior to ephedrine for the purpose of getting lean are reaching for data that are not in evidence. Direct comparison studies using the same dosage of both ephedrine and synephrine are still needed. At this point, ephedrine has the edge, both in the scientific literature and in the gym, when it comes to fat burning ability.

[Doom]

The way Ulter was hyping it on EF was urging me to buy as well...I'll stick with clen, a nickel a tab, ya cant go wrong