doing juice before natural potential

[iamcdn]

what are you guy's thoughts?
i know many people advocate using only when you have reached your maximum potential, but what do you think of guys how juice and haven't reached nearly their potential naturally?

cheers,
iamcdn

[BullFX]

usually they are the cheaters...

[Disposable_Hero]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Not everyone wants to be a huge freak..some people just want to have the cut fitness model look, so whats wrong with juicing to achieve that look faster?

D_H

[iamcdn]

cheaters?

so reaching 'close' to natural potential and then doing juice is not cheating

[pigmeat]

there are alot more people guilty of this then will ever admit!

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by Disposable_Hero
I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Not everyone wants to be a huge freak..some people just want to have the cut fitness model look, so whats wrong with juicing to achieve that look faster?

D_H

yes, i agree with this
but on the other hand i don't

im so divided, that is why i want to get some of your bros opinions or arguments for and against

[Disposable_Hero]

agreed, I would say 95% of this board never reached their natural limit before juicing.

D_H

[BullFX]

i'm talkin about those who start juicing before they put on at least 20-50 lbs of mucles naturally...thats just my opinon though

by the way DH i like that picture... its funny u can get tured on by a cartoon lol

[Disposable_Hero]

lol, thats what I told my gf..she's like "What you think a cartoon is sexy? idiot!" lol

D_H

[Mudge]

I think, without a doubt, such a statement is absolute bullshit. It would take years of hard work and diet know how to max yourself out, and not hardly a soul has that determination, nor are many people going to wait till they are 40 to say "ok, its time now."

If you think 6 foot and 200 pounds is genetically maxed out your sadly wrong, if someone started out 6 foot and 114 that may be different.

People who actually say they waited till they were maxed out, waited till progress slowed down dramatically and they didn't know what to do about it.

[iamcdn]

so what about that skinny geek who just joined your gym, lifted for a month and started juicing? he just wanted the fitness model look, is he a cheater or a guy in desperate need of patcience, dedication and desire

also, you can never again say you are natural

[Mudge]

Originally posted by iamcdn
also, you can never again say you are natural

I for one really dont give a hoot, I imagine not many of us here really do either. Test is test, who cares.

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Disposable_Hero
agreed, I would say 95% of this board never reached their natural limit before juicing.

D_H

I doubt a single person has.

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by Mudge
I for one really dont give a hoot, I imagine not many of us here really do either. Test is test, who cares.

i don't give a flying fuck either, people say - he cheated, im natural ... and my response is normally -- test is test, that guy probably worked out twice as hard and ate twice as clean while he was juicing (cause i know i tend to) and he deserves that muscle

[iamcdn]

ok, i want to know what people's opinions are about the advantages and disadvanatages of juicing 'early'

adv.
fast muscle gains

disadv.
getting frusterated with pace of future gains