tren enanthate powder

[latimer99]

wanted to know if it is legal to buy. and is it only available from china, or can it be bought demestic. also, do you think finaplix might produce trenbolone enanthate for field lot heifers?
give me some info boys, peace.

[latimer99]

damn, i cant get any help with the tren enan... com'on!

[JohnnyB]

no, no, yes and no

JohnnyB

[BigD]

It's illegal, you can get it domestically from one or two peeps, but much easier to get from china. And no tren enth will be made for cows. It's UG labs or learn to convert powder from china!

[buyb12]

bigD said it ...and so it is.......................

(((no, no ,YES and no ))) .....lol

[latimer99]

thanks for the one word answers. has anyone here changed the ester on tren acetate to an enanthate ester.
thanks

[BigD]

I have heard of someone who is working on kits to cleave off the acetate ester and add on an enathate one, however, it's a difficult conversion, most sucessful efforts to date have been done by someone with access to a fairly complete lab. Buying the raw tren enth powder is just as cheap as pellets and a kit would be, and far easier! I would go that route myself... oh wait, I already did

[rado]

Originally posted by JohnnyB
no, no, yes and no

JohnnyB

lol. TRUE

[Backon]

Heres a formula for adding the enanthate ester but I have not tried it yet. This is from Chemo on Anabolicminds

PURPOSE:
To present a general method for synthesizing an esterfied compound from an active base modification. To illicit debate and commentary in an effort to refine the process and have a useable homebrew method for converting short chain ester compounds into longer acting species.

AUDIENCE SKILL LEVEL:
Intermediate to Advanced

MATERIALS NEEDED:




Active base material (no ester) For basic info on saponifying esters go here: How to Saponify an Ester

Organic acid (i.e. - heptanoic, decanoic acid)

or, acid chloride (ethanoyl, decanoyl chloride)

Filters

pH paper

Reaction vessel

Ether, pyridine, water


METHOD #1:
Description: Reaction of base modification with an acid choloride
Materials: Base compound, acid chloride of choice, pyridine, filter paper, pH paper, reaction vessel.
Considerations: Reaction must be carried out in the presence of pyridine to neutralize the HCl that will eveolve. Cannot use NaOH as this would saponify the ester as it is made. Generally lower yield than a Fischer reaction due to hinderance.
Discussion: The reaction of an alcohol with an acid chloride is strongly affected by steric hinderance. It may be possible to apply this and selectively esterify hydroxyl groups. Order of reactivity is: primary>>secondary>tertiary








Dissolve the DRY powder in pyridine and add excess acid chloride of choice.

If possible heat gently with slow, constant stirring for 1-2 hours. If heating is not available allow to sit over night or equivalent ample reaction time.

Add excessive water to precipitate esterfied product.

Use a Whatmann filter or other quality filter (no coffee) to retain product.

Wash thoroughly until pH is neutral. Check by lifting the filter and touching the bottom. NEVER place your pH paper in the wet powder.

Allow to dry overnight on wax paper or other medium that will allow for easy collection. It may be useful here to help drive off the last bit of water to bake in the oven at 100-120 degrees F for an hour or so.

Weigh your final mass and calculate % yield.





METHOD #2:
Description: Reaction of base modification with an organic acid
Materials: Base compound, organic acid of choice, pyridine, filter paper, pH paper, reaction vessel.
Considerations: Reaction must be carried out in the presence of excess amounts of organic acid and also a mineral acid catalyst (HCl or H2SO4).
Discussion: This reaction has been known since roughly 1900 so the mechanism is well understood. The mineral acid protonates the carbonyl group oxygen atom and thereby renders the carboxylic acid much more reactive to nucleophilic attack by the alcohol. This method is more robust in terms of steric hinderance since the group becomes activated and is preferred over the acid chloride method...but does not lend the selectivity that may employed by the acid chloride method.





Dissolve the DRY powder in organic acid (ethanoic, decanoic acid).

Add 3-5 mL Muriatic Acid (or, reagent grade HCl). Remember this is added as a catalyst so it won't take much.

Stir with gently heating for 1-2 hours or let sit overnight with occassional stirring.

Add excess water to precipitate the esterfied product.

Use a Whatmann filter or other quality filter (no coffee) to retain product.

Wash thoroughly until pH is neutral. Check by lifting the filter and touching the bottom. NEVER place your pH paper in the wet powder.

Allow to dry overnight on wax paper or other medium that will allow for easy collection. It may be useful here to help drive off the last bit of water to bake in the oven at 100-120 degrees F for an hour or so.

Weigh your final mass and calculate % yield.



CONCLUSION AND SUMMARY:
The basic steps of working with esters are almost universal and depend largely on choice of reagents. In this manner, a compound can be converted into a longer acting species.

Humbly submitted,

Chemo

[latimer99]

alot of steps, but basic chemistry.... thanks for the read backon.
i think i will find tren enan powder instead, but has anyone tried this?