Diabetes issues with insulin?

[Lift Chief]

Hey guys i was just wondering what you thought about any potential type 1 or type 2 diabetes issues that may be brought about by using slin.

I've heard that taking slin post workout can actually help spare your pancreas the work of breaking down all the simple carbs you take after your workout- and in that way can be somewhat helpful.

But what concerns me is the potential for type 2 diabetes. I'm not very worried about becoming insulin dependant as its pretty much agreed upon that in order for that to happen you would have to take a large amount of slin for a long time.

Becoming insulin resistent seems like it may be possible though.

Most say limiting slin to 4 weeks on 4 off and no more than 4 times a week will make it very unlikely that you could become insulin resistent.

I am just wondering what all you guys think about the potential diabetes issues- both long and short term, with using slin.

[DiamondBling]

Its a risk I take.
Personally, I've researched it a shit load and i'm using it with confidence, responsibily.

[Lift Chief]

Yeah its hard to justify taking that big of a risk though... if it is indeed a big risk.

[alwayzgrowing]

if diabetes runs in your family, i wouldnt risk it. the benefits of it are great, and im with DB

[superman1975]

i have read a lot of stuff on this and the medical community says no--regardless of family history

[flexing23]

I think slin should be takeing under doctor supervison!

[Billy_Bathgate]

It is a risk of type II diabetes. That is just a fact. I dont understand how people can argue that. If you take in exengonous insulin, your body is not stupid. It will see this and you can and will eventually develop loss of insulin sensitivity in your cells. Its not about easing the load on your pancreas. Thats not what Type II is realy about, its your cells that have the problem. Exengonous can do this!

They used to try to treat Type II patients with slin, then the realised it made it only much worse. Thats why the swithced to glucophage/metformin.

Now dosing and duration comes largely into play. 10iu's PW could probally be done for months at a time with no trouble. 20-30iu's on a daily basis the chance increases (significantly IMO).

Something that you could do is take something like rALA to keep your sensitivity up. If you were doing PW shots, I would take it on non-training days to act as sort of "Clomid" for insulin. I cant say about taking it with slin though, at least not yet. I dont know anyone thats done it and can comment.

Bottom line, PW could be used longer, but daily slin I would limit my useage. I would definately follow up with rALA or glucophage either way.


Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, this is only my mere speculation, I take no responsibilities and accept no liabilities for the above statements.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Also, I speculate that Type I could develop with high doses and long duration as your pancrease will eventually just shut down from lack of use. Maybe it will restart, maybe not. I dont know for sure and wouldnt try it if I were you.

[stripper]

glucophage/metformin, how exactly does this drug work, and how in the bb setting??

[Billy_Bathgate]

In a nutshell, they increase your cell's sensitivity to insulin. They can also decrease the amount of sugar absorbed in the GI and made by the liver.

In BB setting, it would simply mean that more nutrients can be shuttled into our cells (hopefully muscle cells) which would lead to more growth.