Why test for 1st cycle?

[iamcdn]

I have noticed on this board that there are many proponents of a test (cyp or eth) only first cycle of 400-500mg/week. I am curious as to why people make this suggestion, other than: see how your body reacts to only test. On anabolic review and even here they state the sides as high and numerous and AR even suggests: “… we recommend that steroid novices stay away from all testosterone compounds. To make it very clear: Those who have never taken steroids do not yet need any testosterone and should wait until later when the "weaker" steroids begin to have little effect.”

From this post I want to start a debate and get your opinions of different first cycles and the reasons behind them.

Cheers,
Iamcdn

[buckshot]

some compounds taken alone can result in low sex drive and limp noodle,adding test will restore the noodle.but for a first cycle there is no need to stack several compounds...so test is a good single compound cycle.add some proscar if your prone to mpb.

[rado]

how about this:

Testosterone enantate:

is an ester of the naturally occurring andro-gen, testosterone. It is responsible for the normal development of the male sex characteristics. In the event of insufficient testosterone production an almost complete balance of the functional, anatomic, and psychic deficiency symptoms can be achieved by substituting testosterone." (Excerpt from the package insert of the German phar-maceutical group, Jenapharm GmbH for its compound Testosteron--Depot.)

These lines clearly describe what an important and effective hor-mone testosterone is. One of the many testosterone substances is the testosterone enanthate. In a man it is normally used to treat hypogonadism resulting from androgen deficiency (1) and anemia (2). Surprisingly, in medical schools testosterone enanthate is also used in women and children. Boys and male youth take it as growth therapy and women take it as an "additive treatment for certain growth forms of the nipples during post-menopause". In bodybuilding, however, it is THE "mass building steroid." No matter what you think of Dianabol, Parabolan, Anadrol 50, FinaJect, and others, when it comes to strength, muscle mass, and rapid weight gains, testosterone is still the "King of the Road." Testosterone enanthate is the European counterpart to Test-osterone cypionate which is predominantly available in the U.S. (see also Test. Cyp.). Testosterone enanthate, as most trade names al-ready suggest, is a long-acting depot steroid. Depending on the metabolism and the body's initial hormone level it has a duration of effect of two to three weeks so that theoretically very long intervals between injections are possible. Although Testosterone enanthate is effective for several weeks, it is injected at least once a week in body-building, powerlifting, and weightlifting. This, by all means, makes sense since Testosterone enanthate has a plasma half-life time in the blood of only one week.

The decisive advantage of Testosterone enanthate, however, is that this substance has a very strong androgenic effect and is coupled with an intense anabolic component. This allows almost everyone, within a short time, to build up a lot of strength and mass. The, rapid and strong weight gain is combined with distinct water reten-tion since a retention of electrolytes and water occurs. A pleasant effect is that the enormous strength gain goes hand in hand with the water retention. Weightlifters and powerlifters, especially in the higher weight classes, appreciate this characteristic. In this group, Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone cypionate, and Sustanon (see also Sustanon) are the number one steroids; this is also clearly re-flected in the dosages. Dosages of 500 mg, 1000 mg or even 2000 mg per day are no rarity-mind you, per day, not per week. Sports disciplines requiring a high degree of raw power, aggressiveness, and stamina offer an excellent application for Depot-Testosterone. The distinct water retention has also other advantages. Those who have problems with their joints, shoul-der cartilages or whose intervertebral disks, due to years of heavy training, show the first signs of wear, can get temporary relief by taking testosterone.

For the bodybuilder, the water retention that goes hand in hand with Testosterone enanthate cuts both ways. Certainly, one gets rap-idly massive and strong; however, one's reflected image after a few weeks often shows completely flat, watery, and puffy muscles. The muscles appear as if they have been pumped up with air' to new dimensions, yet during flexing nothing happens. Those who do not believe this should bother to go visit the so-called "bodybuilding champions" during the OFF-season when these exaggerated quanti-ties of "Testo" come in. A look at the now defunct bodybuilding magazine WBF makes it even clearer. An additional problem when taking Testosterone enanthate is that the conversion rate to estrogen is very high. This, on one hand, leads the body to store more fat; on the other hand, feminization symptoms (gynecomastia) are not unusual. However, it must be clearly stated that this depends on the athlete's predisposition. By all means, there are athletes who even with 1000 mg +/week do not show feminization symptoms or fat deposits and who suffer very low water retention. Others, however, develop pain in their nipples by simply looking at a Testoviron-De-pot ampule. Yet the additional intake of Nolvadex and Proviron should be considered at a dosage level of 500 mg+ /week. As already men-tioned, Testo is effective for everyone, whether a beginner or Mr. Olympia. Testosterone enanthate also strongly promotes the regen-eration process. This leads to distinctly shorter overcompensation phases, an increased feeling of well-being, and a distinct energy in-crease. This is also the reason why several athletes are able to work out twice daily for several hours six times a week and continue to build up mass and strength. Those who can work out again two hours after a hard leg workout know that Testo works. Athletes who take Testosterone enanthate report an excessively strong pump effect during training. This "steroid pump" is attributed to an in-creased blood volume with a higher oxygen supply and a higher quantity of red blood cells. Those who take megadoses of Testoster-one enanthate will already feel an enormous pump in their upper thighs and calves when climbing stairs. Despite this we recommend that steroid novices stay away from all testosterone compounds. To make it very clear: Those who have never taken steroids do not yet need any testosterone and should wait until later when the "weaker" steroids begin to have little effect. For the more advanced, Testoster-one enanthate can either be taken alone or in combination with other compounds.

For adding mass Testosterone enanthate combines very well with Anadrol 50, Dianabol, Deca-Durabolin, and Parabolan. As an ex-ample, a stack of 100 mg Anadrol 50/day, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin/ week, and 500 mg Testosterone enanthate/week works well. After six weeks of intake the Anadrol 50, for example, could be replaced by 40 mg Dianabol/day. Principally, Testosterone enanthate can be combined with any steroid in order to gain mass. Apparently a synergetic effect between the androgen, Testosterone enanthate, and the anabolic steroids occurs which results in their bonding witli sev-eral receptors.Those who draw too much water with Testosterone enanthate and Dianabol or Anadrol, or who are more intere6ted in strength without gaining 20 pounds of body weight should take Testosterone enanthate together with Oxandrolone or Winstrol. The generally taken dose-as already mentioned-varies from 250 mg/ week up to 2000 mg/day. In our opinion the most sensible dosage for most athletes is between 250-1000 mg/week. Normally a higher dosage should not be necessary When taking up to 500 mg/week the dosage is normally taken all at once, thus 2 ml of solution are injected. A higher dosage should be divided into two injections per week. The quantity of the dose should be determined by the athlete's developmental stage, his goals, and the quantity of his previous steroid intake. The so called beach- and disco bodybuilders do not need 1000 mg of Testosterone enanthate/week. Our experience is that the Testosterone enanthate dosage for many, above all, depends on their financial resources. Since it is not, by any means, the most economic testosterone, most athletes do not take too much. Others switch to the cheaper Omnadren and because of the low price con-finue "shooting" Omnadren.

Testosterone enanthate has a strong influence on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis. The hypophysis is inhib-ited by a positive feedback. This leads to a negative influence on the endogenic testosterone production. Possible effects are described by the German Jenapharm GmbH in their package insert for the com-pound Testosteron Depot: " In a high-dosed treatment with test-osterone compounds an often reversible interruption or reduction of the spermatogenesis in the testes is to be expected and conse-quently also a reduction of the testes size." Consequently, after reading these state-ments, additional intake of HCG should be considered. Those who take Testosterone enanthate should consider the intake of HCG ev-ery 6-8 weeks. An injection of 5000 I.U. every fifth day over a period of 10 days (a total of 3 injections) helps to reduce this problem. At the end of the testosterone treatment the administration of HCG, Clomid, Nolvadex and Clenbuterol is now quite common. To some extent the use of these compounds helps absorb the catabolic phase and helps elevate the endogenic testosterone level. By this method the strength and mass loss which occur in any event can be reduced. Those who go off Testosterone enanthate 6cold turkey6 after several weeks of use will wonder how rapidly their body weights and former voluminous muscles will decrease. Even a slow tapering-off phase, that is reducing the dosage step by step, will not prevent a notice-able reduction. The only options available to the athlete consist of taking testosterone-stimulating compounds (HCG, Clomid, Cyclofenil), anti-catabolic substances (Clenbuterol, Ephedrine), or the very expensive growth hormones, or of switching to milder steroids (Deca-Durabolin, Winstrol, Primobolan). Most can get mas-sive and strong with Testosterone enanthate. However, only very few are able to retain their size after discontinuing the compound. This is also one of the reasons why really good bodybuilders, powerlifters, weightlighters, and others take the "stuff " all year long.

The side effects of Testosterone enanthate are mostly the distinct androgenic effect and the increased water retention. This is usually the reason for the frequent occurrence of hypertony (3). Those who have a predisposition for high blood pressure or whose blood pres-sure is elevated when they begin taking Testosterone enanthate should have it periodically checked by a physician. If necessary the intake of an antihypertensive drug (4) such as Catapresan is advisable. Many athletes experience a strong acne vulgaris with Testosterone enanthate which manifests itself on the back, chest, shoulders, and arms more than on the face. Athletes who take large quantities of Testo can often be easily recognized because of these characteristics. It is interesting to note that in some athletes these characteristics only occur after use of the compound has been discontinued, which implies a rebound effect. In severe cases the medicine Accutane can help. The already discussed feminization symptoms, especially gynecomastia, require the intake of an anti-estrogen. Sexual overstimulation with frequent erections at the beginning of intake is normal. In young athletes, "in addition to virilization,testosterone can also lead to an accelerated growth and bone maturation, to a premature epiphysial closing of the growth plates and thus a lower height" (Jenapharm GmbH, package insert for Testosteron-Depot).' Since mostly taller athletes are successful in bodybuilding, young adults should reflect carefully before taking any anabolic/andro-genic steroids, in particular, testosterone.

Other possible side effects are testicular atrophy, reduced sper-matogenesis, and especially an increased aggressiveness. Those who transfer this aggressiveness to their training and not their environment do not have to worry. Unfortunately this is not the case in some athletes who take Testosterone enanthate. Testoster-one and Finaject are both primary reasons for some eruptions. In particular, high doses are in part responsible for anti-social be-havior among its users. One can talk here of a sort of "superman syndrome" that occurs in some users. Although Testosterone enanthate is broken down through the liver, this compound is only slightly toxic when taken in a reasonable dose; therefore, changes of the liver values do not occur as often as with the oral I 7-alpha alkylated steroids. Further potential side effects can be deep voice and accelerated hair loss.

Women should normally avoid its intake since it could result in unpleasant androgen-linked side effects. The use of testosterone in women may cause symptoms of virilization such as acne vulgaris, hirsutism (5), androgenetic alopecia (6), voice changes, and occasional clitorial hypertrophy and an unnatu-rally perceived increase in libido. Changes in voice and alopecia must be classified as irreversible, hirsutism and clitorial hypertrophy as in part reversible." Women who are not afraid of this are found at many competition scenes. In our opinion, 250 mg is the maximum quantity of Testosterone enanthate that a fe-male athlete should take each 7-10 days. However in competition bodybuilding and especially in powerlifting much higher dosages and shorter injection intervals have been observed in women.

Another interesting side effect of Testosterone enanthate is men-tioned in the bodybuilding magazine Muscle Media 2000, June July 1993 on page 45. Judging whether this is positive or nega-tive is left to the reader. 'A few years ago, the Lancet Medical Journal of England reported that they found testosterone (the proto-type anabolic steroid) to be a remarkably effective form of male birth control. Researchers conducted a 12 month study which included 270 men and determined that weekly injections of the hormone testosterone were 'safe, stable, and effective.' They dis-covered that weekly testosterone injections had a success rate of 99.2% as a birth control method. That makes it more effective than the birth control pill (97%) and much more effective than condoms (88%). The study also revealed that the effects of the contraceptive injections were entirely reversible upon discontinu-ing administration of the drug and that the testosterone injec-tions produced minimal side effects."

Similar studies with identical data are also in progress at a German university clinic. Although this is not part of the actual subject of this book, these results stress at least the need for testosterone-stimu-lating compounds during and after the intake of Testosterone enanthate. Since it is effective for such a long period of time, Test-osterone enanthate is always taken more frequently by athletes during their "steroid intervals." An injection of 250 mg every 2-3 weeks helps maintain strength and mass. Whether this application makes sense remains to be seen; the fact is that it works.

(1) Inadequate function of the genital glands (2) Anemia (3) High blood pressure (4) To reduce high blood pressure (5) Increased hair growth in face and on legs (6) Androgenic-linked loss of hair on the scalp.

[rado]

and this too:

Testosterone cypionate

is the most popular and most used testosterone. Cypionate, like enatanthe, is an oil-dissolved inject-able form of testosterone with strong androgenic and anabolic ef-fects. It aromatizes quite easily which means that the conversion rate to estrogen, similar to enanthate's, is relatively high. Several athletes are of the opinion that cypionate stores more water in the body than enantathe does. The muscle buildup during the applica-tion along with the inevitable loss of strength and muscle mass af-ter discontinuing use of one product, are the same with the other. Testosterone cypionate can be combined with many steroids and thus making it an excellent mass steroid. As with enanthate the dosage range is 250-1000 mg/week although several athletes inject megadoses (see Testosterone enanthate).

Testosterone enanthate can be applied to cypionate. In our opinion most athletes will not notice a difference between the two compounds. Testosterone cypionate is one of the drugs which is most frequently faked. The products by Lemmon, Goldline, and in-ternational Pharmaceutical available on the black market are fakes and almost certainly contain no cypionate. The price situation is the same as with Testosterone enanthate. For 1 ml of 200 mg or 250 mg, $ 10 - 15 are being asked and also paid.

[iamcdn]

yah thx i read AR

what are your opinions - thx buck

[Jay C]

I think people should start off with test.. its already in your body and why not start off with the best. I personally would never do Deca or Fina alone.. i dont even want to test the waters of not being able to get it up. i had enough troubles with deca and sust in the beginning, too much deca.. oops.

[rockandroll]

"The price situation is the same as with Testosterone enanthate. For 1 ml of 200 mg or 250 mg, $ 10 - 15 are being asked and also paid." - RADO

Wow, what a deal, that would make a 50ml vial $500-750, I wish I could get deals like that...LOL