Insulin(MUST READ!!!)

[benw]

Well it could possibly be that he did inject in a vein, and if that is the case, hypo would come about a lot quicker and more intense. He did say "was driving home about 10 min after the shot when it hit me like a ton of bricks". Normally I would think that hypo caused by slin would take a little longer than ten minutes to set in, even if injected IM. You should aspirate when shooting IM. Read what C_Horse says in this thread over at Professional Muscle about aspirating and the potential of shooting in a vein.

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1300&highlight=insulin+aspirate

[benw]

BullFX, I forgot to ask, did you aspirate?

[benw]

Shit, I just read your post about how it wasnt you, my page prob wasnt reloaded by the time you posted. Can you ask that person if he aspirated?

[bigpopapump]

I think he confused the dosages. The first time, i almost took 30iu's thinking it was only 3iu's. That much sugar and he was still hypo. I know people that take 40ius a day and they don't count carbs they just eat everything in site and they have no problems. I take 10iu's twice a day and I drink protein shakes that contain 88 carbs and 50 pro. I drink them every two hours for six hours after injection I also eat solid pro. like tuna or turkey. Using this method I have never had a problem, but this post did make me think.

[spidey]

Originally posted by football54
Dude where the fuck do you get off calling somebody who uses insulin a fool? you have a right to voice your opinion but dont call me and others a fool because we do it right. Who knows what this kid did wrong but he did do something wrong because this does not happen to people who do it right. So fuck you!

Damn bro, sounds like I touched a nerve there, LOL. I was only stating my opinion and said so in my post. Now, you tell me. Say, for example, you are not a competing BB who stands to gain fame or money from getting that last slight edge. Do you think that gaining a few extra pounds is worth risking your life for, even if it is a small risk? What about if you can gain the same amount of weight using AAS? Is it worth your life or long term health then? I am sorry dude but if your answer is yes, I stand by my original statement and you can get just as pissed off as you like.

[spidey]

Originally posted by benw
Well it could possibly be that he did inject in a vein, and if that is the case, hypo would come about a lot quicker and more intense. He did say "was driving home about 10 min after the shot when it hit me like a ton of bricks". Normally I would think that hypo caused by slin would take a little longer than ten minutes to set in, even if injected IM. You should aspirate when shooting IM. Read what C_Horse says in this thread over at Professional Muscle about aspirating and the potential of shooting in a vein.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...sulin+aspirate

I don't know; maybe. Insulin shock can set in pretty fast though. I have friends who are diabetic/insulin dependant and some have told me stories about taking too much and going through just about what this guy described. It can hit you in minutes. Everyone is different though with different insulin sensitivity. I think it would hit MUCH quicker if he shot into a vein though; like seconds, not minutes.

[Massive1]

That story doesn't seem correct.
Honestly I think something else was wrong with him though. It's possible to have complications but it shouldn't get to the point of being so dramatic. Slin is simple and easy IMO. I have more trouble doing AAS than taking care of a slin situation from my exp. But just a reminder to be careful with slin is always a good reminder

[AnotherUser]

Regardless of what YOU (not addressing this to anyone in specific) think:

YOU have no right to tell people that slin is stupid. Natural people have no right to tell YOU that steroids are stupid. It's the same principle. I'm just getting sick of people freaking out about slin. If you notice, the board is ALMOST universally split between two types of folks:

Type A: Never used slin. Think that it is stupid, dangerous, and only worth doing if you plan to make a living of bodybuilding

Type B: Used slin. Realize that it's NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL.

There are a few crossovers from people who have not used slin and don't think it's that stupid, but almost universally, people who use slin realize that it's not such a huge deal (same comparison to "naturals" and "enhanced" athletes). Some have had bad experiences (but not many), and almost all of those live to tell about it.

Peace.

[SJR7674]

Let me tell all of you guys that think that insulin is predictable. He did not do anything wrong. I , in fact, had the exact same thing happen to me last year. That is why I never take my insulin shots at the gym or while driving home. I wait until I get hme and make sure that their is someone their.

I had been using insulin post-workout for nearly 6 months, same deal, 10 iu right after with the dextrose and the whole 9 yards. Never even felt it. One day after a workout I did my usual 10 iu and about 5 minutes later, bang. I was sweating, dizzy, couldn't see, and things started to get very dark. I downed about 300 grams of simple carbs over the next 30 minutes, but nothing seemed to help. When the hypo was ready to end, it ended-about 1 hour later. It scared the shit out of me. I thought the same things, maybe I shot it into a vein by accident or something. Maybe I was just really depleted from my workout. I don't think either, and I will probably never know. It has never happened to me again. But it taught me a valuable lesson. Never expect the same results from it. if you are on GH, you can handle more and handle it better. Don't take it at the gym or while driving home. The window of opportunity is just as good 15 minutes later in your own kitchen, and it may save your life

[MrRTTB]

I ALWAYS go after the rule 10g carbs per 1 iu. Will never do less than that, don't care what folks say but I do beleeve one is safer taking more than less than 10g per iu.

I also got hypo 3 weeks ago. Went out with my friends and the thing is this, I always eat every secpnd hour when on slin. I do not dare not doing it. Well this night I didn't eat between 7 and 1 in the night. I was so fucking stupid not to bring food. I brought some gator but must have dropped it in the crowd.

I felt something was wrong(I've had hypo 2 times before as a child and do know how it feels). I looked at my friend and said I had to get out and get some fresh air and asked if I was turning white in the face. He said yes you are, so I rushed down the stepps and that was when it hit me. People probably thought I was so fucking drunk. I couldn't talk, I was sweating and so on. I then did what I did when I was a child. I sat down as still as I could and focused as hard as I could on something not to fall asleap or faint. 5 minutes later it was gone.

I learned a lesson, I will from now on ALWAYS bring EXTRA carbs where ever I go.

[alwayzgrowing]

Originally posted by spidey
Insulin is toxic to your pancreas.

wrong. insulin cycled and used correctly actually places less stress on your pancreas. they have recently started studies on people with high risk for diabetes where they start cycling them on/off insulin to place less stress on their pancreas. insulin is not toxic to your pancreas. dangerous to your life, possibly. but not toxic IF used right.

[Josh]

Is it becasue he threw up??? he should have tried for another shake then. Because 10ius on a powerbar and a coke doesnt seem like enough.

[kblake]

Hello, to everyone reading this. I have had diabetes for 17 years and have been lifting for 18 years. I have run into this same problem many times through out the years. I do everything the same, eat the same amount of food and bam one day all hell broke loose. I have found that my body needs solid food along with the liquid carbs other wise it burns through the sugar too quick. Try eating three or four unslated crackers. This seems to do the trick for me now. You will not be able to determine if or when this will happen to you. Good luck to all of you using insulin.
Please be careful.

[football54]

Originally posted by spidey
Damn bro, sounds like I touched a nerve there, LOL. I was only stating my opinion and said so in my post. Now, you tell me. Say, for example, you are not a competing BB who stands to gain fame or money from getting that last slight edge. Do you think that gaining a few extra pounds is worth risking your life for, even if it is a small risk? What about if you can gain the same amount of weight using AAS? Is it worth your life or long term health then? I am sorry dude but if your answer is yes, I stand by my original statement and you can get just as pissed off as you like.

Yes you did hit a nerve with me and your comment. I said that you did have the right to state your opinion but you dont have the right to bash others.

Yes I do think using insulin is worth the risk. I can buy insulin for 30 dollars. thats a lot fucken cheaper then gear, and I have never got the rusults from gear that I have got from insulin. I dont think insulin is going to hurt my long term health any more than gear is.

Also I'm not getting pissed at your statement. I am just pissed because your name bashing. Its like me saying you or anybody who has never used insulin is a fucking dumb shit.

Its all personal opinion and everybody has the right to voice what they think the pros or cons are, but nobody is dumber or smarter for using or not using.

[spidey]

Originally posted by AnotherUser
Regardless of what YOU (not addressing this to anyone in specific) think:

YOU have no right to tell people that slin is stupid. Natural people have no right to tell YOU that steroids are stupid. It's the same principle. I'm just getting sick of people freaking out about slin. If you notice, the board is ALMOST universally split between two types of folks:

Type A: Never used slin. Think that it is stupid, dangerous, and only worth doing if you plan to make a living of bodybuilding

Type B: Used slin. Realize that it's NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL.

There are a few crossovers from people who have not used slin and don't think it's that stupid, but almost universally, people who use slin realize that it's not such a huge deal (same comparison to "naturals" and "enhanced" athletes). Some have had bad experiences (but not many), and almost all of those live to tell about it.

Peace.

You are taking this WAY too seriously. Why the hell should you care what I or anyone else thinks? You can call me an idiot all day long for all I care; water off a duck's back bro.

My point (that you seem too upset to get) is that I think anyone who takes an UNNECESSARY risk with their life is not all that bright. There are legit reasons to risk one's life: in defense of yourself or loved ones, because there is no other way to reach a very important goal, even for enough money or fame (not me but at least I can understand it). We have all been young and stupid. Probably everyone here has fallen into that catagory at one time or another in their life; even me. I have certainly risked my life unnecessarily many times during that "young and stupid" phase. I risked my life in other ways than drugs but the result could still have been the same. I WAS A FOOL TO DO SO. Fortunately, some of us live to come to the realization that "hey, that isn't smart!". Unfortunately, some do not.

BTW, your analogy between insulin and steroids is not a very good one. I have never heard of anyone dying from taking a few to many dbols; have you? I have heard of many who went into insulin shock and died from taking what they thought was a perfectly safe dose. There are two or three posts on this very thread that claim they were taking doses that they had taken many times before with no problems when all of a sudden, they were in serious trouble. There is no comparison here. One risks your life and one doesn't. Whether or not you choose to admit it, insulin can be unpredictable and risky.

My best friend is a diabetic who is extremely insulin resistant. He has to take dosages that would kill most of you outright for it to do anything at all to his blood suger. A very similar thing happened to him as has happend to others on this thread. He took his insulin; ate the carbs he was supposed to; waited the right amount of time, etc. He had taken this dosage for several months without incident. He went to bed that night and nearly didn't wake up. He said he fought his way awake; rolled out of bed onto the floor and crawled into the kitchen where he scarfed down a box of suger coated frosted flakes. He laid there in the floor with frosted flakes everywhere (he was shaking so bad he spilled much of it) and thought his time was up. Fortunately, the frosted flakes seemed to do the trick and this father of four young children is still around.

Why would any sane person choose to take an unpredictable, risky drug to get results they could get as easily from taking much safer and predictable drugs? It's the unnecessary nature of it that prompts me to label it as foolish; not the drug itself. Some people have to take it (diabetics). Others have hit the ceiling on what they can get from safer alternatives and insulin is the edge that gets them growing again. Then there are others who can still grow (probably just as fast) with safer alternatives but choose to take insulin anyway. Maybe these people do not truly understand the risk (although they think they do). How would you label a person who takes unnecessary risks to their life when they can easily reach their goals without it? Highly intelligent?