Liquidex, T3

[wildey]

Trying to put my first cycle together. Was thinking Test enan or cypionate. But then I looked on this site under "Trusted Bros." Saw Liquidex and Liquid T3. What is this stuff? Is it comparable to Test? How is it used? If you've used it, let me know how much you used and if you liked it (and if you used other AS to stack with it).

[lxorl]

not even close... might want to read up for a little while before you make any moves. Your first cycle has the potential to be your best one, so take some extra time and get it 100% right... I wish i had had this board to learn from before I jumped in.

Liquidex is an anti estrogen and T3 is a thyroid hormone used to cut fat. They are nothing like Test.

Maybe tell us your stats and goals and then someone can offer more advice.

[wildey]

stats & background

My stats: 35 yrs old, 5'11", 185, low body fat, pretty cut
Stayed in shape all my life, last few years decided to put on some muscle. Started working out heavy, uped the calories, whey protein, creatine: went from 170 to 185 (all muscle) in 1 1/2 years. Satisfied with my results, but plateaued out. I've been looking at this board...very impressed with the info. Decided on a straight test cycle (enan or cyp, whatever I could get my hands on), maybe a few weeks of Dbol, followed up w/ Clomid. Any advice on dosage would be great. After that, I've just gotta round up the gear and I'll be good to go. Advice?

[mrf10]

for your first cycle id go with test enth or cyp @ 400mg for 10 weeks followed by the normal post cycle recovery. You should get good gains off of this

[wildey]

nolva or clomid for post?

That's what's been suggested to me: test enan or cyp.
what about the post, nolvadex throughout or clomid at the end?

[AceDaBoss]

Re: nolva or clomid for post?

Originally posted by wildey
That's what's been suggested to me: test enan or cyp.
what about the post, nolvadex throughout or clomid at the end?

Read through alot of the old posts and do a search on these topics. You will find better answers this way because all these questions have been talked about many times over and over and over This way you will more info and anwers to all your questions.

[granby140]

i was under the impression its very hard to shut down your thyroid if not impossible

[lxorl]

you would use clomid post cycle to get your natural test levels back up more quickly and hopefully preserve more of your gains... I would also have nolva handy (as i found out last cycle) incase you start showing signs of gyno or start holding extra water from the test.

I would go

test cyp or eneth at 500mg/week 1-10
D-bol 30-50mg/ed 1-4
Nolva 10-20mg/ed for water bloat
clomid post cycle

stick around and read up for a month or so before you jump in..... also make sure you have everything before you start.

[wildey]

Thanks

Thanks for your help. I'll keep you guys posted when I start and let you know my progress.
Oh, yeah...goals: I'm 185 right now; want to go to 200 minimum. I'm Ok if it takes a while (even a year). It might take me a bit to get started as I need to come up with a way to make sure my wife doesn't catch on (she might freak). W.

[Gearhead]

first basic cycle is this
Test eth 400-500mg wk 1-10 weeks
d-bol 35mg-50mg wk 1-4
clomid starts 2 weeks after last shot
Have nolvadex(anti estrogen) on hand incase of gyno

Now you can add things too this but dont go too crazy. Maybe add deca or eq.

You really need to do a ton more research. I say do a search on all the different anabolics to see what each one does. Than do a search on common cycles. Your last thing will be to gather all this info and make a cycle for yourself than ask everyone on this board comments on your designed cycle.

[ward cleaver]

cycle

I'd go with this 4 first cycle
Test eth 400mg wk 1-10 weeks
d-bol 35mg-50mg wk 1-4
clomid starts 2 weeks after last shot
Have nolvadex(anti estrogen) on hand incase of gyno and DON'T FORGET LIVER-X for the D-bol through out! or trade d-bols for
EQ 400mg wk 1-10weeks

[Scottexercise]

If you are 185 now and you do Lxor... cycle you will probably go up to about 215 lbs.