unusual dbol cycle

[lwgy]

i want to try a test free cycle. ive been thinking about:
deca 1-12 @200mgs
var 4-12 @ 40mgs
dbol 1-2; 5-6; 9-10 @ 25mgs

the reason i want to do the dbol off and on, is similar to the theory behind short cycles. short cycles are supposed to be good because1) sides usually start around week 4; and (2) no HPTA suppresion.

well obviously im going to be suppressed, but it would be nice to avoid the sides and also give my liver a rest. i noticed from my previous use of dbol that sides kicked in around week 3.5 and i had to increase the dosage to maintain the same increase in weight each week. im hoping that taking 2 weeks off and then starting up again i can get better results. any thoughts(besides adding test)?

[rado]

deca IMO should be run at 400mg, no less......but then again, it's highly anabolic and good shit too...what brand?

[rado]

and you should always throw the test in, especially while you run deca

[lwgy]

still havent decided on which brand, but im leaning toward human gear. im going to keep it test free as long as i can. i have no gf right now so if deca dick does show up....no big deal.

any thoughts on the dbol part of the cycle?

[smalls]

Why in gods name do you want to go "test free"

I would go dbol 1-4 12-15 so you would be doing the dbol while the deca is clearing and you are getting ready for clomid.

But I think the deca is too low and you would be much better off with test 400/wk.

But what do I know I'm a noob.

[PinCushion]

Interesting theory about the DBol...hmmm, let us know how it works if you go through with it.

[Jay C]

the suggestion about doing Dbol at the end of the cycle, after the last shot of deca, and before the first clomid, is that safe? or even suggested? i would think that would help keep gains but maybe hurt you too.

[lwgy]

Originally posted by smalls


I would go dbol 1-4 12-15 so you would be doing the dbol while the deca is clearing and you are getting ready for clomid.

But I think the deca is too low and you would be much better off with test 400/wk.

i dont want to run the dbol past the var, because i think the var will harden everything up. and i think dbol on its own will be too hard to maintain.

im keeping the deca low, because this is my first time with deca so im hoping to respond well to it, and ive read a lot of people getting good results off low dosages. plus, i think it will less likely to see dica dick at 200mgs.

[smalls]

Originally posted by lwgy
i dont want to run the dbol past the var, because i think the var will harden everything up. and i think dbol on its own will be too hard to maintain.

im keeping the deca low, because this is my first time with deca so im hoping to respond well to it, and ive read a lot of people getting good results off low dosages. plus, i think it will less likely to see dica dick at 200mgs.

Sorry what do you mean too hard to maintain.

If you really want to stay away from test right now I honestly think you would be better off dropping the deca all together and just sticking with what you have outlined above. You want to be sure to protect your liver either way though.

And about putting dbol at the end. I have seen it suggested by very knowledgable bro's and will be using it with my first cycle, I'll tell ya how it goes. I personally see it as a good idea. I will begin using clomid the day after I discontinue dbol.

[BiggerStronger]

Interesting....but I don't like it. lol

I think you would be better off doing some EQ. The deca will shut you down pretty bad. Less sides with the EQ.

I would definitely throw some test prop in there but that's just me. Good luck.

[Josh]

Theres no point in running the dbol short like that THE DECA WILL SHUT YOU DOWN. And if that Deca didnt get you the var would. Also dbol just starts to really kick in around the end of week 1 so you want to stop it after 14 days you wont even have time to solidify the gains if any you got from it. Dbol should be ran at least 3 and probally 4 weeks. The var looks good. Its a terrible idea to run deca without test. Why dont you run a Var EQ stack if you want test free. Ive heard of some people getting decent resultswith that. But it still will shut you down. If you want solid gains without being shutdown look into some HGH or IGF-1 or Insulin.

[lwgy]

i ran EQ last time, and the pumps were too much. i couldnt finish most of my workouts. i saw some increased vascularity, but not much. i didnt get the hunger pains either. i dont think i will run EQ again.

i like the results from test and the way i feel while on, but i dont like the hairloss and the acne. i know i wont get the same results by running deca without test, but im curious to see how i will respond to it.

as for the dbol, most of my gains last time from dbol came in the first 2-3 weeks. week 4 saw only a slight increase in weight, but i had to increase the dosage to 35 mgs and then i started to loose hair and saw acne.

i know im going to be shut down from the deca. i was more concerned with the other sides from dbol. liver values, acne, water, hairloss.

ive thought a lot about GH, but to really get the effects out of it, it should be run with either test or slin. im not running test this time, and im concerned with slin because i workout late at night, and i dont really want to inject an hour before i go to bed.

[PinCushion]

Just because his idea is not "the norm" doesn't mean it's wrong, or that it will shut him down badly. Sure Deca usually shuts people down hard, but not everybody is the same. I've heard of a lot of guys doin' Deca only....mainly because they didn't really know what they were doin'....but still had great results, and could still get an erection.

I think your BEST thing to do would be to at least have some test on hand, just incase it shuts you down really bad. It IS possible that he can do this Deca without any test and still be ok. Like I said, everybody is different. I personally don't recommend it because why take the chance? But hey, go for it man, who knows maybe it will work well for you.