My extremely poor blood results. Thoughts on recovery?

[SJR7674]

Big-G

Dude, if your shit gets that low when you are on tell your doc to put you on Lipitor ASAP. That is a heart attack waiting to happen. Mine fell to single digits, and within 5 weeks of being on Lipitor all numbers were in normal range

[droid]

Originally posted by SJR7674
Big-G

Dude, if your shit gets that low when you are on tell your doc to put you on Lipitor ASAP. That is a heart attack waiting to happen. Mine fell to single digits, and within 5 weeks of being on Lipitor all numbers were in normal range

Did you feel any side effects from the lipitor? How old are you SRJ7674? You say your doc always has you on GEL when you come off, is it enough to keep you normal and feeling well? Do you use it as a bridge or do you go clean after awhile? As I stated my biggest concern is not hindering my chances for conception worse than they currently are but I also can not go for an extended period of feeling so shitty and not having desire for sex as it is straining my marriage. I have been using intermittingly for the past 12 years. I have only been having problems with recovery since I turned 28 2 years ago. Your info has been very insightful.


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[SJR7674]

I'm 33. Never feel any side effects from the Lipitor. Been using gel after all cycles for the past 3 years. I usually use it for aboout 90 dyas after a cycle and taper it down. Then I go totally clean for about 4-6 months until I hit another cycle

[droid]

Originally posted by SJR7674
I'm 33. Never feel any side effects from the Lipitor. Been using gel after all cycles for the past 3 years. I usually use it for aboout 90 dyas after a cycle and taper it down. Then I go totally clean for about 4-6 months until I hit another cycle

Could you tell me how much, when and for what duration do you use the lipitor. How often thru the year do you get your blood done? Do you have blood work a month or 2 after you stop using the gel? What is your test value at that point is it close to your baseline? That would mean it is suppressing you very little if at all? Do you find that the Gel bridge allows you to keep more gains? What is a typical cycle for you? Do you have baseline blood work before you started using gear and how close is your test level to the base a month stopping Androgel? Sorry for all the questions but we seem to have similar situations. What is your height and weight?


Thanks

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[GearTripper]

it was my understanding that once HRT is started, it's a permanent thing... you don't "cycle" HRT. i was approved for it, but decided against it mainly because i didn't want to stick myself every week for the rest of my life!

[SJR7674]

I only use Lipitor when I am on steroids because my HDL and LDL ratios change dramatically for the worse, even when I am dieting for a show.

When I use the gel as a bridge, and continue to train hard and eat well, i feel as if I am still on about a shot of sustanon per week (no kidding) it's is that good.

I get my blood work done right before I start my cycle to determine if I am healthy enought to start, or we may need to start me out with Lipitor and giving blood the first week. I get the test done again in the middle of my cycle, just to make sure that there is nothing seriously wrong with any of my vital organs, and then again about 3 months after I have finished my cycle and the gel. I can tell you from my experiece, my test is almost completely shut down 1 month after I am done with my cycle, but it is back to about 50% 1 month after I am done with gel. You draw yor own conclusions

[BIG N]

so say ikm commin off my cycle can is till use clomid hcg and nolva to come off aswell as the andro ??also what ur saying is taht ,the ando doesnt shut udown olonger on innihibit recovery of the hpta ??

[droid]

Big N- I think he is saying that the gel still inhibits some what but allows his HPTA to atleast have (50%) some recovery and not go months at a time will very low test levels. I too wonder if SJR7674 still uses any ancilaries to help out?

SJR7674- Does lipitor bring down triglyceride leves too? Do you know what your baseline test is before you cycled or had a very long break? I ask because if someone has say 400ng/dl before he cycles which is the in the bottom third of normal then if one does as you were they would still be hypogondal at 200ng/dl at the 50% recovery 1month off everything? how close have your test levels risen to the baseline when you Start your next cycle? Again thanks a million


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[Remo]

2000IU of HCG is very risky. 1000IU is safer and could be taken eod without that much risk. Watch out brotha and be careful in your quest to gain the balls back.

[SWALE]

Perhaps I can shed a little light on these various subjects.

Your Lipid Profile is not as bad as you think. Sure, the HDL could be higher, and I would like to see your LDL come down, too. But taking Lipitor is for lowering LDL, and you really aren't in trouble with it or total CHOL. What you need is a higher HDL level, and niacin is good for that. Also, I believe if your estrogen level rose a bit, you would see your HDL's rise, too. Finally on this point, being hypogonadal itself damages the Lipid Profile. As your serum T comes up--whether from recovery (if it's going to), or through TRT--it will improve.

The only thing troubling about your blood is the high H&H, as long as it is not falsely elevated by dehydration (which you can tell by a BUN/creatinine ratio of 20 or higher). A trip to the red Cross will take care of that (as long as you are not using a finasteride product, because they will then defer you). It's also a good thing to do for yourself to dump oxidizing excess iron from your body. BTW, it's great to do things for others, too! Your RDW says you are still kickin' out red blood cells at a fast pace.

Never use HCG post cycle. Well, not more than a few days post cycle, that is. As has been said, it will inhibit you, too. And yes, 1000IU at a time should never be exceeded.

I believe your doctor knows exactly what he is doing. If you did the ancillaries as you said, then your system should be more recovered than that at 7 weeks. Therefore, I would predict you are not going to go much higher for your own testosterone production. Transdermal testosterone delivery systems, such as the gel, will indeed inhibit your system. There just is no way around that. As test cyp IM is the gold standard for TRT, and bodybuilders usually won't accept anything for TRT but injectables, it is indeed a logical choice. The transdermals are better for curing erectile dysfunction, as they result in higher conversion to DHT, if that is a problem. Your dosing is good as a starting point given your size, history of AAS use, and expectations.

I don't know where anyone EVER got the idea that 1000mg per week is not tougher on your body than 500mg per week. That just goes against all we know about pharmacology, physiology and medicine.

I would not consider 50-80% as being recovery, especially after months have gone by.

I hope this is helpful.