Dbol or propinate

[GunzofSteel3]

Manny... I don't think it was your message so much as it was the way you said it. You cam off abrasive. Typing messages can be that way sometimes. Its easy to mistake someones message as being overly abrassive when the writer may not have intended it that way at all. 46 has been around the boards and has a lot of good insight. Theres no reason to cut his balls off if you dissagree with his advice.

[fireking]

manny,

I must say you are on a high horse here bro...I know because I used to ride that same mule myself...Their are countless of us who take 40 to 50mg stacked with alot of other gear...I'm almost 43 and just started this year doing AS after many many mnay years of training...40mg ain't doing nothin to me but jump starting the shit outa my cycle....and its MY cycle....I'm old enough to make my own mind up...I assume he is too...My feedback came from personal experience not from someone else...Come down off the cross dude we need the wood!!

[THE JUICE]

I liked D-bol, it worked great for me.

[manny78]

Originally posted by fireking
manny,

I must say you are on a high horse here bro...I know because I used to ride that same mule myself...Their are countless of us who take 40 to 50mg stacked with alot of other gear...I'm almost 43 and just started this year doing AS after many many mnay years of training...40mg ain't doing nothin to me but jump starting the shit outa my cycle....and its MY cycle....I'm old enough to make my own mind up...I assume he is too...My feedback came from personal experience not from someone else...Come down off the cross dude we need the wood!!

the fact is the poor guy is not even what I'd call a freak, then why should he go with 40-50 mg of dbols if he can get decent results out of 20-25 ? for example ? Even if I'm a mod on EF sometimes I'm just sick to see people giving stupid advices on how this kid should stack T-3 with GH and 1 g of test.... I can see by his dosages that he wants to remain on the safe side so 20 mg of dbols would be safe. In fact, at his weight I dont even know why he's taking EQ instead of Deca but I'll keep that for another thread

[fireking]

Originally posted by manny78
the fact is the poor guy is not even what I'd call a freak, then why should he go with 40-50 mg of dbols if he can get decent results out of 20-25 ? for example ? Even if I'm a mod on EF sometimes I'm just sick to see people giving stupid advices on how this kid should stack T-3 with GH and 1 g of test.... I can see by his dosages that he wants to remain on the safe side so 20 mg of dbols would be safe. In fact, at his weight I dont even know why he's taking EQ instead of Deca but I'll keep that for another thread

manny, look at his pic on the avatar and his stats...this dude ain't a "poor guy"...by the looks of him he's pretty ripped and swole...it's not your advice thats wrong its the way you come from another board and start flamin bros over here...the bros that have replied to this thread are very respected by me...I may not agree with them all the time, but I very much respect them...show a little fukin courtesy...your outa line!:p

[46and2aheadofme]

Originally posted by manny78
the fact is the poor guy is not even what I'd call a freak, then why should he go with 40-50 mg of dbols if he can get decent results out of 20-25 ? for example ? Even if I'm a mod on EF sometimes I'm just sick to see people giving stupid advices on how this kid should stack T-3 with GH and 1 g of test.... I can see by his dosages that he wants to remain on the safe side so 20 mg of dbols would be safe. In fact, at his weight I dont even know why he's taking EQ instead of Deca but I'll keep that for another thread

Ah.
You come from EF... that explains your reaction.
You're sick and tired of guys recommending huge cycles to newbies, I understand that bro.
I agree with you that less is more.
I also agree with you on your deca vs. eq comment (I think the downfall of deca in popularity is due to a lot of fake deca in circulation, but we'll save that for another thread).

I don't consider the guy a "poor newbie," he's obviously put a lot of time and research into putting together a cycle, and we can debate all day long about how much dbol is exactly right for a first cycle, but the truth is, there IS no right answer. What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me and might not necessarily work for him. What I suggested was my opinion, and that's what Valuablz was soliciting: opinions. And he's getting a lot more than he bargained for, lol!

50mg of 17aa for 4 weeks isn't going to destroy the guy's liver, especially if he drinks his water, takes his milk thistle, doesn't drink a bottle of NightTrain every evening, etc. It has been claimed by many a guru that tylenol is more liver-toxic than dbol, although I've never had the time to read up on it.

Anyways, let's lay our differences to rest. Gunz is correct, I was merely taking issue with your tone, not with your advice. Your advice is spot on, 25-30mg would be a milder and quite effective dosage, and had I taken the time to write an entire dissertation (Effect of Varying Dosages of 1 7-alpha-methyl-1 7beta-hydroxil-androsta-1.4dien-3-on in first-time users, by Dr. 46and2aheadofme) I would have probably stated your exact advice as a milder alternative.

Unfortunately (or fortunately?) I do not have the time for an entire sermon on dbol, so I just gave the guy the Cliff's Notes version of my opinion. I'm sure you're familiar with Cliff's Notes?

Peace,
46

[JohnnyB]

I don't like d-bol so I'm going with prop in the beganing and at the end

JohnnyB

[manny78]

He looks good. DOnt get me wrong. But I assume its his first cycle so that'S why I said "newbie". IMO we're all newbie in the AAS world until we try it. Talking and using them is two very different thing.

But since we're on the subject. The biggest reason why people are affraid of Deca its the "limp dick", "loss of libido" or whatever. You got dudes, some ignorants, some others had bad experiences, going on different boards and saying how Deca suck so much.

Fact is: Deca used alone at dosage of 400 mg and over without tappering down is like rubbing your body with gasoline and then smoke a Winston. You're looking for troubles. I know it sounds old school but lowering slowly your deca intake is smart and safe.

Concerning EQ its a cutting drug mostly. Not saying you can't gain shit on it but its mostly for its cutting purposes we'd use it. And from the way I see the member's stats and cycle (using enanthate for example), it looks like he's going for and needs a mass cycle. Prop/EQ/Fina or winny...... ah that would be one piece of a cutting cycle. On the other hand Test/dbols/deca will give him great gains.

[bigjim33]

i used 40-50mg/day of dbol my first time with it and i must say it wasn't bad, but this is my opinion on it. i would say do 35-40mg/day

[Valuablz]

Originally posted by manny78
He looks good. DOnt get me wrong. But I assume its his first cycle so that'S why I said "newbie". IMO we're all newbie in the AAS world until we try it. Talking and using them is two very different thing.

But since we're on the subject. The biggest reason why people are affraid of Deca its the "limp dick", "loss of libido" or whatever. You got dudes, some ignorants, some others had bad experiences, going on different boards and saying how Deca suck so much.

Fact is: Deca used alone at dosage of 400 mg and over without tappering down is like rubbing your body with gasoline and then smoke a Winston. You're looking for troubles. I know it sounds old school but lowering slowly your deca intake is smart and safe.

Concerning EQ its a cutting drug mostly. Not saying you can't gain shit on it but its mostly for its cutting purposes we'd use it. And from the way I see the member's stats and cycle (using enanthate for example), it looks like he's going for and needs a mass cycle. Prop/EQ/Fina or winny...... ah that would be one piece of a cutting cycle. On the other hand Test/dbols/deca will give him great gains.

Actually this isn't my first cycle, i did a test enanthate only cycle about 4 months ago, and i know how AAS react in my body. And yes i have done my research, i'm not a newbie, i'm normally at AR posting but decided to try a lil bit of both boards to meet more great bros. I was thinking of doing fina, enanthate, and eq, but that's going to be incorporated in a later cycle. My goal is to be somewhere around 225-230 of solid lean mass, i'm under 10% Bf so i'm just looking to build even greater lean mass. I'm doing the eq instead of deca to keep the bloat down from the dbol and test, and in my opinion eq is something i'll rather go with. I'm deciding to run the d-bol at 40 mgs, feel free to comment on my post.

[biglegs]

dbol or prop.

What the hell is all the bickering about guys? Just go with the 40mg to 50mg's of dbol spread evenly throughout the day for about 4 to 5 weeks and train your ass off. If you don't grow with this, you will not grow with anything. Enough said.