Your opinions on this cycle

[thehamme]

Im thinking of starting a cycle in a couple weeks what do you guys think?
Stats: 6'0 195 11-12%BF
2 previous cycles 1bulker and 1cutter have used(test,tren,winny,eq,halo,dbol)

The cycle:
100mg test prop EOD wk 1-3 and 6-8
500mg test cyp wk 1-6
winny 50mg ED wk 3-9
clen 2on 2off

Im going to use 500iu of HCG every 10days after week 3 and then basic HCG therapy post cycle along with clomid,nolva,arimidex,clen

Im keeping this short I just want to drop some fat add alittle muscle and be able to keep my gains without a crash afterwards, so Im ready for a big fall bulking cycle.

Diet is going to very clean with low carbs high protein moderate fats and alot of cardio.
Please make some suggestions on what to add or not add.

thanks
thehamme

[BiggerStronger]

Well, it seems a bit short for the Test Cyp...by the time it's kicking in the 4th week you'll be off two weeks later.

I think you should run it for at least 8 weeks and you'll probably get better results off of 10.

My suggestion is this if you want to keep it fairly short.

Weeks 1-8
500mg Test Cyp

Weeks 1-3, 8-10(11)
100mg Test Prop EOD

Weeks 8-11(12)
Winny 50mg ed

Just 2 or 3 more weeks total, but the results will be better IMO.

[jack hust]

i would run the cyp the whole time myself

[rado]

run the cyp throughout the entire cycle..

[stonecold54]

actually I think it is a good cycle the prop the first three weeks will kick in within a week and then a long ester for 6 weeks and then a couple weeks of prop to clear out the long ester. most people have to run test for so long because they only use long esters if running prop you don't have to run it as long because your results will kick in faster. try it and let us know how it works out.

[Scottexercise]

I agree w/Bigger, cyp is really fun shit but if your wanting to cut I would sub/ w/fina. You'll get some nasty size stay nice and hard and definately won't get any water or fat

[BiggerStronger]

BTW...You can actually cut with whatever drugs you want...The only factor with using a long ester is water retention. If you run a good amount of lquidex and/or nolva you should be fine. If it was me I would run either:

Weeks 1-10
150mg prop eod
100-125 fina eod
Weeks 6-10
50mg Winny ed

No need to deal with tapering and this is a real basic cycle great for cutting.

OR

If I already has the test cyp I would run it with some EQ. That stuff makes you vascular and hard. Run some L-dex with it and your good to go. Try this.

Weeks 1-10
500mg Test Cyp
400mg EQ

Weeks 6-10
Winny 50mg ed

Weeks 1-4
Test Prop 100mg eod

You don't have to add the prop at the end unless you want to keep the blood levels consistantly high...without the self-tapering effect of the cyp

Whatever you choose...keep the diet clean and you should see nice results. Good luck!

[thehamme]

Thankyou for all the suggestions and help but Im still tring to keep this a short cycle what if I ran it like this,

prop 150mg EOD wk 1-6
tren 75mg EOD wk1-6
winny 50mg ED wk1-6
or

prop 100mg EOD wk1-3 and 6-8
cyp 400mg wk1-6
tren 100mg EOD wk5-8
winny50mgED wk4-3

I just ended a cycle like this 6wks ago, it was a 10wk cycle of ED shots and after I couldn't inject anywhere with out hearing the crunch of scare tissue, I vowed never to do ED shots again.
That is why I wanted to include a longer ester.

Well I think Im confused now so If I cant decide and you guys dont like these two I might just go with the original cycle and hope the liquidex and clean diet will keep bloat off.

thanks again
thehamme

[BiggerStronger]

I guess cycle #1 is simple and easy albeit a bit short, but you should be able to reach your goals with it...good luck.