Blood test results after 47 weeks of Fina

[Tinfish]

Congrats on your health. Prolly not the norm though. A few weeks too long on fina IMO.

[DickRenegade]

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Tinfish and rado, i don't think you two realize how bad an hdl of 9 is.... ask your doc at your next visit what they would think of an hdl of 9.

dick

[Drenten]

If you were a car this is what your oil would look like.

[Governor]

hey dick whats normal HDL and LDL??
and whats the normal ratio?

[Tinfish]

Re: ?

Originally posted by DickRenegade
Tinfish and rado, i don't think you two realize how bad an hdl of 9 is.... ask your doc at your next visit what they would think of an hdl of 9.

dick

Dick,

I am on your side on this one. I was attempting to be sarcastic on him using fina for just a few weeks too many.

Bad Fonz. Bad Fonz. :2gunsfiri

[Fonz]

Re: lol

Originally posted by DickRenegade
lol,

with an HDL of 10, ask any cardiologist... you're not far from the grave. the lowest hdl i've ever seen of a non steroid user was 21. you're cholesterol/hdl ratio is a very important determinant of at what rate you'll develop atherosclerosis and if you'll have a heart attack.

now you're encouraging other people to follow in your footsteps... congratultions.


dick

Except that steroid user never took Garlic standardized for Aillicin(10 000mcg) which is 2.5 times more potent than HDL.

Research pays guys.

R-ALA also increases oxygen transport to the hert by 32%.

Acetyl-L-Carnitine is probably the PREMIER heart envigorator.

Every AAS user should ALWAYS take AlCar and R-ALA along with Aillicin(If on androgens).

Then there is GLA.......another extremely important nutrient.

AAS usage is not just about lifting and getting big. Its about researching what you need to take to minimize any possible risks.

AS I have done.

The probelm here is that I'm about 4 years ahead in terms of research in regards to normal AAS users.

Fonz

[Fonz]

Originally posted by intense
Now start taking the large doses of niacin and determine if that brings the HDL to normal...

Niacin is not very good.

Garlic and Guggulsterones and a little known Red Yeast is far better. Same as Green Tea.

Fonz

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by Fonz
Niacin is not very good.

Garlic and Guggulsterones and a little known Red Yeast is far better. Same as Green Tea.

Fonz

Hmm, im taking guggulsterones right now, getting my blood tests done in a week, shoudl i be adding garlic also? I plan on being on for a year, so far on week 22. Im using r-ALA also at 600mg ed, 100mg with evbery meal. I am i missing anything else?

[Fonz]

Originally posted by prolangtum
Hmm, im taking guggulsterones right now, getting my blood tests done in a week, shoudl i be adding garlic also? I plan on being on for a year, so far on week 22. Im using r-ALA also at 600mg ed, 100mg with evbery meal. I am i missing anything else?

1. Garlic(Aillicin)(3200mcg) with every meal.

2. Guggulsterones: 120mg/day 60mg 2x/day

3. Acetyl-L-Carnitine: 5g/day

4. Green Tea: 1g/day 98% Polyphenols 60% Catechins

5. GLA: 1.2g/day

6. R-ALA: 600mg/day

Note: Remember to add Biotin 2mg 3X/day with the r-ala

All these things work synergisitically.

GLA +R-ALA +ALCar on nutrient partitioning and heart Health

ALCar,GLA,Green Tea,Guggulsterones,Garlic on Lipids/Chol

Fonz

[prolangtum]

thanks, ill add those after this test, and get a follow up a month after adding that too see the difference

[Drenten]

Re: Re: lol

Originally posted by Fonz
The probelm here is that I'm about 4 years ahead in terms of research in regards to normal AAS users.

Whooo wee! You’re befuddling my dang yokel mind…guh-hyuck. :p

I’m sorry, I really don’t want to start a flame festival here, but this thread may well be wandering down a slippery slope. Please, allow me to interject my old-school opinion into your new-age thought process, because it sounds to me like you are rationalizing what you have done.

Actually, it is fairly obvious to me that you are rationalizing – a 47-week cycle, is not a cycle – it’s a change of address.

I think it is unwise to allow your HDL levels to fall to such a dangerously low level and think that using some dubious supplements will make everything okay. I’m sure that in your mind your highly advanced research will take you to another level, but most people won’t be willing to risk death for the sake of research.

Call me an asshole if you want, but any newbies reading this thread that may be given the idea that it is acceptable to have a total cholesterol level that high and an HDL level that low, and it can be offset by using garlic extract, need to know that this thinking is, at best, highly dubious.

[Fonz]

Re: Re: Re: lol

Originally posted by Drenten
Whooo wee! You’re befuddling my dang yokel mind…guh-hyuck. :p

I’m sorry, I really don’t want to start a flame festival here, but this thread may well be wandering down a slippery slope. Please, allow me to interject my old-school opinion into your new-age thought process, because it sounds to me like you are rationalizing what you have done.

Actually, it is fairly obvious to me that you are rationalizing – a 47-week cycle, is not a cycle – it’s a change of address.

I think it is unwise to allow your HDL levels to fall to such a dangerously low level and think that using some dubious supplements will make everything okay. I’m sure that in your mind your highly advanced research will take you to another level, but most people won’t be willing to risk death for the sake of research.

Call me an asshole if you want, but any newbies reading this thread that may be given the idea that it is acceptable to have a total cholesterol level that high and an HDL level that low, and it can be offset by using garlic extract, need to know that this thinking is, at best, highly dubious.

Everybody here knows I'm by no means a newbie.

I've been around since 1999.

I was just givind some feedback...which is the point of ther boards. I would never recommend what I did to anyone.

FOnz

Fonz

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Re: Re: Re: Re: lol

Originally posted by Fonz
Everybody here knows I'm by no means a newbie.

I've been around since 1999.

I was just givind some feedback...which is the point of ther boards. I would never recommend what I did to anyone.

FOnz

Fonz

I LIKE READING GOOD REPORTS,GOOD JOB FONZ!YOU GOT A+

[stockked]

FONZ

DID YOU GET ANY PROGESTERONE OR PROLACTIN PROBLEMS?IF YOU DID HOW DID YOU COMBAT IT,.

[DragonRider]

Originally posted by PHABIO
Fonz,

What were your gains and did they continue throughout the whole period of the cycle without ever stopping?

Good Question, and equally as important as the lab tests you provided.