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How bad do you think you would bloat up on eq without an anti-estrogen/aromatise?
How bad do you think you would bloat up on eq without an anti-estrogen/aromatise?
Do you think at 800mg on it's own and being lean already that it would bloat you up all that much? What's the estrogen conversion rate? Much less than test I know that but how much about?
I'm thinking of using EQ at 800mg by itself for 10 weeks followed by 750mg test enanthate along with some liquidex ,femera, or aromasin for 14 weeks after that.
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i know the conversion rate of estrogen from eq is low,very low! i would worry more about the test!
the consensus with eq is to run it longer at a lower dose,for optimal results,12-15 wk.i would bet alot of people would rather run eq at 400-600 mg wk for 15 wk then 800mg wk for 10
i cant go over 600mg due to the fact that its makes me so damn hungry .....i presonally love eq and the vascularity it brings ...Eq aromitizes very little so bloat isnt really a concern expecially if ur lean ..id run it at 600mg for longer ull be happier with the resualts
Originally posted by wasted i cant go over 600mg due to the fact that its makes me so damn hungry .....i presonally love eq and the vascularity it brings ...Eq aromitizes very little so bloat isnt really a concern expecially if ur lean ..id run it at 600mg for longer ull be happier with the resualts
i don't get hungry off it, thank god since i am cutting....mike, i am on 600mg/wk right now and bloat is minimal so i wouldn't think 800mg/wk would be that different
BTW - One of my first cycles was 300mg of eq on it's own a week for 8 weeks and I gained pretty well. I'll stick with 10 weeks.
4 bottles of QV eq
1 jug of QV enanthate
1-2 bottles of anti's.
About 30 clomid
Good to go for whole cycle. Cheap, effective, and good for 6 months!
Being defeated is sometimes only a temporary condition. Giving up, makes it permanent......
It takes alot of courage to release the familiar and seemingly secure, to embrace the new. But there's no real security in what's no longer meaningful. There's more security in the adventurous and exciting, for in movement there is life and in change there is power......
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step......
Pain is weakness leaving the body......
"When it comes to trusting people the only thing I know is that I don't know......"
"Fuck what everyone else thinks. Follow your own way and only then will you have the potential to lead to greatness......"
"Aim for perfection because even though it will never be achieved, the constant pursuit keeps us from settling and always makes us strive for more......"
I might get flamed for this, but oh well. I'm going to be doing my next cycle in April(16weeks) and I've never used any kind of anti-estrogens, no Liq, Clomid, Hcg, etc... I've never been bloated, don't get acne abd have kept ALL of my weight. I've done this no anti-estrogens on purpose to see if I could retain all of my gains, well I have. I'm not saying not to get nay, but I'm one person that love's EQ and Test(enanthate, all QV gear by the way). All of my cycles have been around 600mg a week for test and 400mg a week for EQ. Yes EQ will bring vascularity, but no bloat what so ever. You'll always be hungry(so eat clean), if not you can then get FAT very easy. You tend to eat more thatn usual so if you don't eat clean, it will catch up to you.
I have personally done test only cycles and test/eq cycles, and did not notice any more bloating or any need for more anti-e's with the latter. (600-800mgs/week by the way).
i would run the EQ and test together instead of back to back... JMO... the EQ will keep water retention from the test to a minimum but keep anti e's on hand for possible gyno with 750 mg of test a week
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Originally posted by rado I might get flamed for this, but oh well. I'm going to be doing my next cycle in April(16weeks) and I've never used any kind of anti-estrogens, no Liq, Clomid, Hcg, etc... I've never been bloated, don't get acne abd have kept ALL of my weight. I've done this no anti-estrogens on purpose to see if I could retain all of my gains, well I have. I'm not saying not to get nay, but I'm one person that love's EQ and Test(enanthate, all QV gear by the way). All of my cycles have been around 600mg a week for test and 400mg a week for EQ. Yes EQ will bring vascularity, but no bloat what so ever. You'll always be hungry(so eat clean), if not you can then get FAT very easy. You tend to eat more thatn usual so if you don't eat clean, it will catch up to you.
some poeple are just less prone to gyno. my boy cant use 500mg a week of test without feeling itchy nips. another guy i train with at times has been on 1000mg or more for te past 6 months, and has never had a problem. then again, he is also a gentic freak
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