1-Test sides?

[Jorta]

Hello,

I'm using a homebrew transdermal with 10g 1-test in 240ml solution. I also have another bottle of 4-AD 12g in 240ml.

I'm wondering about sides. I've been using it for about a week and have noticed these hitting me pretty hard -

fatigue - really tired
headache - right in the front/side of my head.
insomnia - waking up in the middle of the night and just staying up.

So, are these normal for 1-test or am I just coming down with the flu?

Thanks,

Jorta

[jack hust]

i never used it but those are the sides i allways read about and i heard you can get a low sex drive some people get a rash try stick around some one here will help you out bro in the mean time get some tylenol pm and use the 4ad to help with your sex drive also get some clomid for the end of your cycle 1-test will shut you down from what i understand if you can not get clomid you might try 6-oxo its over the counter and trib tett.

[lovetoeat]

The fatigue is normal, you may want to up the 4-AD dose or lower the 1-test dose, the insomnia may be avoided by not applying the transdermal close to bedtime.

[Drveejay11]

Originally posted by lovetoeat
The fatigue is normal, you may want to up the 4-AD dose or lower the 1-test dose, the insomnia may be avoided by not applying the transdermal close to bedtime.

Good advice

[Drveejay11]

Ps.....I don't care what anyone else says: 4-AD transdermal worked great for me!

[Jorta]

Thanks for the advice folks. Just wanted to make sure I was not making all this up in my head.

I'll adjust the dosage of the 4-AD. I will point out that it was Lovetoeats suggestion that I mix them in seperate batches so that I can perform these adjustments if I need to.

Jorta

[Drveejay11]

What are your gaols bro......maybe you could totally do without the 1-Test!

Cutting or Bulking?

[Jorta]

Originally posted by Drveejay11
What are your gaols bro......maybe you could totally do without the 1-Test!

Cutting or Bulking?

Bulking! I've gained 20 pounds in the last 2 months just bumping up the calories and now going to try to fuel that with the 1-test/4-AD mix.

While I'm here...I have some 6-OXO, but is it common to use Clomid with this as well?

Thanks for the input,

Jorta

[Drveejay11]

Bro, if you gained 20 pounds in the last 2 months from changing your diet alone......you're a bad mutha!

If you are trying to gain MORE mass, go witrh the 4-AD. 1-test does NOT convert to estrogen whatsoever (chemically, it CANNOT) therefore it's a cutter! NO estrogen=NO gains is typically the rule! 4-AD.......converts to estradiol!

Save the 1-test for when you want to shed some fat from all the bulking!

[Drveejay11]

6-OXO........I have been hearing good things about it but have yet to try it myself!

I would keep the clomid on hand JUST IN CASE!

Maybe start a thread on other user's experience with 6-OXO.

Hell...... I'll do it for ya

[Jorta]

Originally posted by Drveejay11
Bro, if you gained 20 pounds in the last 2 months from changing your diet alone......you're a bad mutha!

If you are trying to gain MORE mass, go witrh the 4-AD. 1-test does NOT convert to estrogen whatsoever (chemically, it CANNOT) therefore it's a cutter! NO estrogen=NO gains is typically the rule! 4-AD.......converts to estradiol!

Save the 1-test for when you want to shed some fat from all the bulking!

That is an interesting way to look at using the two of them. I admit I had not considered this.

First, I went from 250 at Halloween at a BB show to 285 now. About 15lbs of that was just eating again after dieting and getting some water back in me. So although 20lbs is nice, as a percentage of my size, it is not as amazing as someone who is 180 going to 200. Thanks though

As far as the 1-test, my understanding is that the 4-AD was required to ensure the good gains from the 1-test. If I did 4-AD alone now would I be limiting my gains from this bulking period? And if I did 1-test alone later, would I be suffering from the limp dick and fatigue that the 4-AD is helping to prevent now?

I had understood that the two should be used together to complement each other - but I'm willing to learn more effective ways to use this if I'm heading down the wrong path.

Jorta

[Drveejay11]

Q: As far as the 1-test, my understanding is that the 4-AD was required to ensure the good gains from the 1-test. If I did 4-AD alone now would I be limiting my gains from this bulking period?

A: NO


Q: And if I did 1-test alone later, would I be suffering from the limp dick and fatigue that the 4-AD is helping to prevent now?

A: Unfortuantely.....YES (probably---get some proviron!)