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    I been using desicatted liver tabs for years they are cheap and many of the old school trainiers and bodybuilders swore by them. Not many people use them anymore- I actually use both peptide bonded aminos and liver for many reasons - check this out
    Desicatted Liver tabs- NOW, Universal, Beverly international etc etc
    What Is It?
    ========

    Everyone�s grandmother served them liver, usually some messy concoction involving onions, at least once in their life. She assured you lovingly that it was good for you, as you looked at it like a plate of poison had been set before you. Don�t worry about the smell. Just a rose spoiled. Why does granny�s house always smell funny anyway? And why are the dinner table legs always sitting in little tins of water? Ants!

    Back to dinner � Liver -- this was when your culinary gauntlet was laid down for the first time in your young life -- either you loved it, or you vowed never to approach the stuff again without threatening granny�s life first, rest of the family and your inheritance be damned.

    But granny was right, just as she always has been as you got older, you�ve noticed. It is good for you. Bodybuilders and other athletes realized it early on too, but they hated the taste as well. So someone decided to take all the liquid and fat out of it, and put it in a tablet so it could be swallowed without tasting it. Goodness! Genius!

    Today, desiccated defatted liver is whole beef liver that has been concentrated using a vacuum and freeze drying process, utilizing no heat in the procedure. This process concentrates the nutritional content while removing the fat, connective tissues, and water without destroying any of the healthful ingredients via heat.

    In almost all cases, the desiccated liver comes from fresh, hormone-free, organically raised, Argentine beef liver, carefully processed to preserve all the nutritional elements while removing any unnecessary components.

    Why Argentina?
    ============

    First, the cows supposedly live a life of luxury at home in the Pampas region of Argentina. A region of Argentina that is fertile in natural alfalfa, wheat, and oat grasses. The cattle roam freely on the grand, rich, grasslands. Organic cattle in the Pampas are required by the Argentine Cattle Association to be raised "stress free." They are never given any hormones, branded, or herded aggressively. The animals live outside, free range, running free. Law requires one acre of pasture land per organic designated cow. La Moo.

    Just as the liver concentrates everything that is good for the body, it can also concentrate everything that is bad. Cattle from other countries, good ole USA included, have hormones, chemicals, antibiotics, pesticides & herbicides (from the plant matter they eat), fertilizers, drugs, steroids, and who knows what else, possibly concentrated in their livers. Not to mention the practice of taking meat scraps from the slaughter house and recycled back to the other cows. Mad cow. Madder mad cow. Wash. Repeat.

    Be sure to look for Argentinean, organic, liver in any product you choose.

    What�s In It?
    =========

    Well, umm � liver.

    Protein: 60-80%.

    Vitamins: A, B-complex (B-1, B-2, B-6, B-12, choline, inositol, biotine, niacin, pantothenic acid, folic acid, PABA), C, D, E, K, lipotropics choline & inositol.

    Minerals: calcium, chromium, copper, heme iron, manganese, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, sodium, & zinc.

    Amino acids: alanine, arginine, aspartic acid, cysteine, cystine, glutamic acid, glycine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, proline, serine, threonine, tyrosine, tryptophan, valine

    According to Vince Gironda, the "Iron Guru", in addition to these known nutrients, there are substances present in liver that have a beneficial effect on health, fitness, and endurance -- such as cytochrome P-450 (more about this later) and others yet to be identified. He said that desiccated liver contains nucleic acids for proper amino acid utilization, a growth factor, and an anti-estrogen factor, which keeps testosterone levels high, and it is also a great anti-toxin.

    Heme Iron
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    Iron is an essential mineral and an important component of proteins involved in oxygen transport and metabolism within your body. Almost two-thirds of the iron in your body is found in hemoglobin, the protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen to your body�s tissues. Smaller amounts of iron are found in myoglobin, a protein that helps supply oxygen directly to muscle tissue, and in enzymes that assist biochemical reactions in cells. About 14-16 percent of your body�s iron is stored for future needs and mobilized when dietary supplies are inadequate. The remainder iron is in your body�s tissues as part of proteins that help your body function.

    There are two forms of iron available from your diet: Heme and Non-Heme. Heme iron is found in red meats, poultry, and fish. Non-Heme iron is found in both plant, animal, and mineral sources. Note that Heme iron is not available from any vegetarian source in any significant quantity, if at all.

    Now, exactly what is the difference between the two, and why would anyone care, you ask?

    Well, most iron supplements found in your neighborhood health food store are 'inorganic', which is not easily absorbed by your body and can cause symptoms such as abdominal cramping, diarrhea, dark stools, etc. It can even be dangerous if too much is taken � this is the Non-Heme iron. It�s generally a molecule of iron compound not �organically wrapped�. Non-Heme iron tends to be poorly absorbed, and is well known to generate the formation of free radicals, molecules that damage cell membranes throughout the body. Think of it as particles of rust, circulating throughout your body. Where�s the Rust-Oleum?

    That's why our body has magically found a way insulate us from our own body�s iron by placing it within what is called a Heme ring (hemoglobin), effectively wrapping the iron in a �plastic coated� cover, keeping it pure and non-rusted. We need the iron for oxygen transfer, but we also need to be protected from it internally. Heme iron is this same natural form of iron already found and used in our own body. Rarely has an overdose occurred in taking Heme iron supplements. It�s readily absorbed, and almost immediately usable by your body.

    The richest source of natural occurring Heme iron is liver.

    Again, remember that Heme iron is involved in every process of oxygen transfer in your body, and almost all metabolic & protein synthesis processes.

    The Mysterious Cytochrome P-450
    =========================

    Vince Gironda mentioned it decades ago, and many current advertisements mention it � with, or without, giving him credit. I�m willing to bet none of the advertisers know what it is or what it does.

    �Our liver pills have P-450 components! Don�t trust those other guys! And besides, they�re using platypus livers!�

    However, no one ever attempts to explain exactly what this mysterious P-450 component is, or what it does.

    I won�t either.

    Okay, not really, especially since you�ve made it this far �

    Cytochrome P-450 is a family of the body's more powerful detoxification enzymes. Over 60 forms are now known, with hundreds of genetic variations possible, producing a wide variety of susceptibility to specific toxins. This is an enzyme family that your body uses to attack substances that you ingest � substances that it considers detrimental, foreign, or poisonous to your operating system, by making them more water soluble in an attempt to eliminate them from your body through normal means.

    For instance, in the case of carbon monoxide poisoning, your P-450 response immediately attempts to capture and isolate the CO molecules to protect your body from being poisoned. If the response is small, such as from a cigarette, or breathing exhaust fumes, your body has the ability to neutralize the attack through the P-450 enzyme reactions quickly and efficiently. Of course, like many systems, it too can be overwhelmed and possibly fail. On the other hand, it only makes sense that if you can supplement your body�s natural P-450 defense system, you only make it stronger.

    In fact, it is such a powerful responder, that pharmaceutical companies have to design their new drugs around your body�s P-450 attack responders, spending literally millions of research dollars to work around it.

    Cytochrome P-450 proteins in humans are also drug metabolizing enzymes and enzymes that are used to make cholesterol, steroids, and other important lipids in your body.

    The name �Cytochrome P-450� derives from the manner in which they reflect light under analysis, and that these proteins have a Heme group attached. There�s that �Heme� word again. Beginning to notice a pattern here?

    Many of the ancillary functions of P-450 hadn�t been fully understood until the Human Genome Project had been completed in 2003, along with further DNA experimentation, and the genes for P-450 were specifically investigated. The first crystallization of a mammalian P-450 substance, for instance, didn�t occur until 1999.

    How Vince Gironda was on to this substance in the early �70s is anyone�s guess. Genius? Psychic? Alien? Cranky alien?

    Okay, Enough Already � What Do Liver Tablets Do?
    =====================================

    �Desiccated Liver, the Wonder Energy Food!� �Vince Gironda, Blueprint for the Bodybuilder

    Claims are made that liver supplements improve fat metabolism, increase energy, increase stamina, help damaged tissues regenerate, curb sugar cravings, and protect the liver. Desiccated liver helps to increase red blood cell count and stimulate appetite. As a side note, anabolic steroids also stimulate appetite and increase red blood cell count.

    It may also work as an anti-stress agent, alleviate gum problems, treat anemia, and help produce stronger functioning red blood cells. In addition, it has been proven to help improve recovery time after physical workouts.

    The iron and B vitamins in desiccated liver tablets contribute to bone health, muscle building, and immune functioning. Liver is also a great source of the vitamin B-12. B-12 plays an important role in cellular division and is vital to growth. In addition, it assists the body with the burning of fats and carbohydrates. A deficiency of B-12 can also lead to anemia and fatigue. It also seems to play a large role in protection against heart disease.

    In a now classic experiment in the �50s, Dr. BH Ershoff demonstrated that liver extract was able to boost strength, endurance, performance, and resistance to stress and disease.

    Ershoff took three groups of rats and fed them controlled diets for a 12 week period. Group 1 ate a basic diet fortified with vitamins and minerals. Group 2 ate as much as they wanted of the same diet plus B vitamins and brewer's yeast. Group 3 ate the basic diet but had 10% desiccated liver added to their rations.

    The rats were then placed into a drum of water, which they could not climb out of. Therefore, it was literally either sink or swim. The Group 1 rats swam an average of 13.2 minutes before they all drowned. Group 2 swam an average of 13.4 minutes before meeting Group 1 at the ole Davy Jones' Locker. Group 3, however, were still swimming at the end of 2 hours, at which time the experiment was concluded, and the rats set free in a field nearby. Now, either the Group 3 rats had watched the fate of their classmates very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long.

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    this brings back a ton of memories,hahahaha!when i was a kid we'd get those huge ass bottles and pop them all day,do our workout and think we were juicin! hahahaha!i can still smell the fresh bottle opening for the 1st time and that big ass was of cotton in it.forgot the brand we used to use.don't even know why i stopped taking them come to think of it.
    "Who me? I'm like 500lbs. Who me? I'm like at least 150. What do I weigh? I'm like 7ft tall" Lester Beetlejuice Green

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      i was just about to post a question regarding preferred liver supps/detoxifier to take. For years, even when not on gear and off for a few months, my SGOT level is always elevated.

      After bloodwork taken two weeks ago and being on hrt at 250mg test/week, my levels are elevated to 65 when normal is 34. The doc does not raise this as an issue as he said if it was in the hundreds he would be concerned.

      So these tabs "Desicatted Liver tabs- NOW, Universal, Beverly international", will they help lower the level?

      Been taking, for years, Liv52.

      What are your thoughts?

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      • #4
        Re: old school Liver Tabs

        great info. Yep, brings back memories. I used to throw that shit down by the handfuls. Great stuff and always dirt cheap

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          [QUOTE=skinnyman;953692]i was just about to post a question regarding preferred liver supps/detoxifier to take. For years, even when not on gear and off for a few months, my SGOT level is always elevated.

          After bloodwork taken two weeks ago and being on hrt at 250mg test/week, my levels are elevated to 65 when normal is 34. The doc does not raise this as an issue as he said if it was in the hundreds he would be concerned.

          So these tabs "Desicatted Liver tabs- NOW, Universal, Beverly international", will they help lower the level?

          Been taking, for years, Liv52.

          What are your thoughts?[
          /QUOTE]

          Liv52 is good stuff without a doubt, personally I'm cheap so I look for the most cost effective liver sups which for me are milk thistle and NAC combo. costs me about $45 for a 4 month supply running 2g milk thistle daily and 1200mg NAC daily. I dont think you can do wrong with liv52 though has an excellent reputation.

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            [QUOTE=alluprbdy;953698]
            Originally posted by skinnyman View Post
            i was just about to post a question regarding preferred liver supps/detoxifier to take. For years, even when not on gear and off for a few months, my SGOT level is always elevated.

            After bloodwork taken two weeks ago and being on hrt at 250mg test/week, my levels are elevated to 65 when normal is 34. The doc does not raise this as an issue as he said if it was in the hundreds he would be concerned.

            So these tabs "Desicatted Liver tabs- NOW, Universal, Beverly international", will they help lower the level?

            Been taking, for years, Liv52.

            What are your thoughts?[
            /QUOTE]

            Liv52 is good stuff without a doubt, personally I'm cheap so I look for the most cost effective liver sups which for me are milk thistle and NAC combo. costs me about $45 for a 4 month supply running 2g milk thistle daily and 1200mg NAC daily. I dont think you can do wrong with liv52 though has an excellent reputation.
            No doubt liv52 is an excellent product and has stood the test of time. its been around a long time. Good company. Ive been pounding the NAC hard. I am going to see if trueprotein has NAC in powder by the pound. I think they do.

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              Re: old school Liver Tabs

              so i'll stick with the liv52

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by skinnyman View Post
                so i'll stick with the liv52
                Yes Liver tabs have absolutely nothing to do with liver health. They are basically considered a superfood- old school live food with natural forms of iron, b vitamins, enzymes and the super substance p450- It will help with recovery and performance

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                  Originally posted by skinnyman View Post
                  i was just about to post a question regarding preferred liver supps/detoxifier to take. For years, even when not on gear and off for a few months, my SGOT level is always elevated.

                  After bloodwork taken two weeks ago and being on hrt at 250mg test/week, my levels are elevated to 65 when normal is 34. The doc does not raise this as an issue as he said if it was in the hundreds he would be concerned.

                  So these tabs "Desicatted Liver tabs- NOW, Universal, Beverly international", will they help lower the level?

                  Been taking, for years, Liv52.

                  What are your thoughts?
                  Bro with respect- I wrote a novel a few posts above- DID YOU READ IT??
                  I states everything you could possibly use it for. My thoughts is this is almost like hijacking a thread- because your issues has nothing to do with this topic. THis post is about the benefits of desicated liver as a living food supplement- NOT DETOXIFIERS
                  Last edited by ketsugo; 04-27-2011, 11:18 AM.

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                    Originally posted by ketsugo View Post
                    Bro with respect- I wrote a novel a few posts above- DID YOU READ IT??
                    I states everything you could possibly use it for. My thoughts is this is almost like hijacking a thread- because your issues has nothing to do with this topic. THis post is about the benefits of desicated liver as a living food supplement- NOT DETOXIFIERS
                    Hey ket and with due respect I am inquiring about those benefits which, included in your novel, state the title "The Mysterious Cytochrome P-450" along with verbiage below it explaining the powerful detoxification enzymes.
                    In addition, other benefits including helping damaged tissue regenerate and a liver protector. All, of which, can have an impact on SGOT levels and my issue.

                    The intent was not to "hijack" your thread but rather obtain the board's personal experiences with this.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by skinnyman View Post
                      Hey ket and with due respect I am inquiring about those benefits which, included in your novel, state the title "The Mysterious Cytochrome P-450" along with verbiage below it explaining the powerful detoxification enzymes.
                      In addition, other benefits including helping damaged tissue regenerate and a liver protector. All, of which, can have an impact on SGOT levels and my issue.

                      The intent was not to "hijack" your thread but rather obtain the board's personal experiences with this.
                      Well then my bad and I apologize- TO go along with your other - I use Liv products and there is another called livelonger that has the precise compound that detoxifies the liver itself. Im sure all of us could benefit from using it if we have been on cycle at all

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                      • #12
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                        man that stuff used to give me horrible gas...

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                        • #13
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                          Dessicated liver tabs are far too big, I can't swallow them ....

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