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**Kayak Jones** · 03-23-2003, 02:29 PM

Could you be a little more specific--what kinds[chemical names] did u have trouble with??

**Jarconis** · 03-23-2003, 02:45 PM

Ive done two 1t/4ad cycles. Both 4 week cycles, the first cycle i put on 19lbs, and the second i did 17lbs... yeah , prohormones suck.

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by saturn
I tried 1test and 4ad the 4ad gave me water bloat like I would expect from deca along with a raise in bp. I can tell you 1test/4ad did not yeild near the gains of say test/deca. And the sides were nearly the same.

What was your diet like? Wha twas your training like? How did you sleep? For how long were you in a hypercaloric state? How many calories over your basal metabolic rate did you eat? If you cant gain from 1-test & 4-ad id merely your own ignorance, nothing to do with the product.

Ps. 1-test isnt a pro hormone, its a steriod.

**Kayak Jones** · 03-23-2003, 03:13 PM

I'm talking about pro hormones, in particular 19 norandrosterdion and 4 androsterdiol [might have spelled em wrong] in a stack that includes other items to counter side effects-I can't find much negative literature on this combo-ie. Schwartz Labs Anabolic Power Stack and Pro Lab Androbolic.

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by saturn
I have no problems gaining bro...I did make gains with the 1t/4ad but not the gains I make with test/deca. The sides were very simmilar the gains wern't as much and it cost much more than I can get test/deca for. I know you are a supporter of PH and they have their place. For me I will stay with AAS because they are more cost effective and yeild better gains.

Well you're not that intelligent for comparing 1-test and 4-ad to illicit drugs, no one here's saying 1-test is better than test and 4-ad is better than Deca, so thats a very moot point.

Cost effective? $70 for a complete 8 week stack of a very potent 1-test/4-ad topical stack? You can lie and tell me you can get 2 vials of test and 2 vials of deca fro under $70, but no one believes that. Im interested in what product you used?

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by saturn
YelloJacket I have no interest in getting in an argument with you. I did One+ 4 bottles with the max dosages. I don't remember the exact cost but it wasn't cheap. I know I could have made my own transdermal but have no interest in doing that.

Please don't make a statement like You're not that intelligent when you don't even know me.

A question was asked and I stated my opinion.

I dont think I have to know you to form an accurate opinion....

So whats the max dose? Do you remember? Why 4 bottles? Christ, no wonder i was expensive..... how long of a cycle was it? What post cycle supplements/meds did you come off with? What was your dietary recall like?

**Kayak Jones** · 03-23-2003, 03:41 PM

In thru the nose, out thru the mouth, twice-slowly......Now, how about some answers to my questions??

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Kayak Jones
In thru the nose, out thru the mouth, twice-slowly......Now, how about some answers to my questions??

How about using the search function instead?

The 3 companies you named are lackluster companies to say the least.

**Kayak Jones** · 03-23-2003, 03:52 PM

Been there done that. Thats why I thought I might ask some of bros on this forum.

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by saturn
I never said they didn't work or that I didn't make gains. I just stated for the money, side effects and my goals Ph's were not as effective as I would like them to be. If they were as effective as some make them out to be I would guess that there wouldn't be many people on this board discussing ASA but would be talking about Pro Hormones.

Like I said I have no interest in arguing with you I stated my opinion you can state yours. There was a question asked by Kayak Jones lets please get back to the topic at hand and put your energy into answering his question rather than arguing about a difference in opinion.

Once again, REALLY slow.... 1-test is not a pro hormone. Until you can answer the questions above, you're opinion isnt relevant.

Can you explain to me, physiologically, why there are more side effects with pro hormones, as opposed to anabolic-androgenic steriods? (good luck).

This is too easy.

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Kayak Jones
I'm talking about pro hormones, in particular 19 norandrosterdion and 4 androsterdiol [might have spelled em wrong] in a stack that includes other items to counter side effects-I can't find much negative literature on this combo-ie. Schwartz Labs Anabolic Power Stack and Pro Lab Androbolic.

The three companies you have mentioned all have pretty bad reputations in regards to quality products. A 19Nor, 4-AD stack will be one of little sides and lean gains. IF you can find this in a topical form, consider yourself lucky and jump on it, if sold by a reputable company. I am not aware of any company who makes a transdermal 19nor/4-ad compound, so making your own is an option. The bioavalibility of oral 19nor and 4-ad is no where near that of topicals. Best of luck none the less.

**Kayak Jones** · 03-23-2003, 04:44 PM

Boy , I really stirred up some shit for a new guy huh?!! Yee ha, let the games begin***PS I only mentioned 2 companies........
Strength and Honor

**YellowJacket** · 03-23-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Kayak Jones
Boy , I really stirred up some shit for a new guy huh?!! Yee ha, let the games begin***PS I only mentioned 2 companies........
Strength and Honor

Ps. they both suck.

**iamcdn** · 03-28-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Ps. they both suck.

that being said, what would you suggest? what companies that is?

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