M1-T and what to use with cycle

[toxic_power]

Hello all, I've taken prohormones before but never really cycled them with anything except for some methoxy. I always noticed that I felt extremely tired and lethargic when I went off the cycle probably because my test levels were non existent. I have a bottle of M1-T and will be starting a cycle as soon as I get some 4-AD and nolvadex or novedex ? whatever that stuff is he he. Saturn already answered my question at the gym but I already forgot when to take what when on the cycle and off the cycle. Can I get some help? I believe you take the 4 AD when on the cycle and the nolvadex when you off right? Any ideas on the amounts I should take for all of these and if you know of a site that has good prices that would be cool to. I use www.bodybuilding.com for some of my stuff and found this site about a week ago www.planetarynutrition.com which is where I got my M1-T.

Thanks!!!

[Cipher]

Do a search bro...theres a gazillion post on this but since you say you know Saturn, ill help you out.

Start M1T and 4-AD preferrably Transdermal at 10mg ED and the 4-AD not sure about the dermal but orally at 600mg's ED. Bump for NPursuit on that one. 2 weeks on then 2 weeks off then 2 weeks back on to start. For your first time, no more. Get your liver values checked before during and after. NP can tell you the Nolva dosages.

Ciph

[NPursuit]

For a 4-AD transdermal I would go with 200-400mg depending on whether you want gains from the 4-AD or if you just want to alleviate the sides.

Nolva dosage for a 2 week M1T & 4-AD cycle should be
40mg wk 1
20mg wk 2
Taken once a day.

[G*B]

I used the 4-AD in caps @ 500mg/day and it worked pretty good for me. But definetly keep the nolva @ 40mg/wk 1 and 20mg/wk 2.

[Phil]

would u recommend taking the 4ad caps at the same time of day as the m1t?

also, for the liver protection, if seen so many conflicting reports of whether to use the milk thistle on cycle or only off-cycle. Doesnt it hinder absorbtion of m1t on cycle? ive also read that some people take it like 4 hrs after the m1t...any thoughts NP?

[NPursuit]

4-AD orally should be taken every 8 hours. Transdermally every 12 hours.

As far as liver supplements go, what a lot of people are forgetting is these are for repairing damage not preventing it. I have read an article or two stating milk thistle can hinder the absorption of methylated compounds, so there is another reason to use them PCT. With that said though I am taking NAC 12 hours apart from my M1T since I haven't seen any studies showing that it hinders absorption. Also I don't want to spend the money to get my liver values tested, so I would rather be safe than sorry.

[jipped genes]

for the liver take a liver detox like tylers. also ALA is a very good protectant and of course milk thistle.

i wouldnt use nolva while on unless you plan on going over 600mg of 4ad ed and if you do i would only use 10 mg of nolva. m1t is very dry and the whole reason you are useing the 4ad in the first place is for the aromatization.

my cycle preference would be

10mg M1T ed
300mg transdermal 4AD ed split morning and evening
liver protectants ed (very important)

2 weeks on then PCT

nolva 30mg first dose then 20mg for the rest of the 2 weeks then start over. after the second cycle take a month off.

[Phil]

thanks guys--appreciate the input...jipped and NP coming thru in the clutch once again