Pro-Hormone Experiences

[SlimeyPete]

I found a few old bottles of Androstendione in my closet, my father was selling supplements in bulk for a little while. I just got some AAS and was thinking of adding it for the hell of it....then decided maybe I should fully research it. I did and it did not look to promising.

The brands are better now, but I still think they have an absorption rate of something in the low 20's. I dont even know if thats the word, but the idea is that for every amount you take only 20% of it will make it into your system.

The page I found had some studies.
Men ages 20-40, 3 groups, placebo, 100mg a day, and 300mg a day.

The summary is pretty much that the placebo groups mad e the same gains as the 100mg/day groups did, and the 300mg/day group had better results.

The 300mg group had elevated levels of testosterone and estrogen, the 100mg a day group had no significant increase in testosterone but a significant increase in estrogen.

I decided against using them, cause I dont want anymore estrogen floating around then I might have with AAS.

[labrad]

Slimeypete, good move not using that old school andro. It is pure shite.

[THE JUICE]

Originally posted by jack hust
waste of cash aas much better on your wallet and you get results

I agree with you bro on that one. Ive wasted shit-loads on pro-hormones before I started juicing and they didnt do jack shit to me. I'd rather go with the juice and get results.

[dot1]

Biggest side effect for me was sore throat and being tired. I was not looking for weight gains, but losing bodyfat. I used 1-AD and was happy with the results, strength went up, bodyfat % went down.

[PIT]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rumpster
Anyone have any links that break down the differences between each one? I'm looking to do a cutting cycle. I haven't used real juice in 16 yrs and I'd like to put it off a bit longer if something "natural" really does work, if not as good.
I don't want a 20lb gain; just some more strength and muscle hardness.

[Quote]

I ripped this off from somone else.

Androstenedione

• Testosterone Conversion: Moderate
• DHT Metabolite Conversion: Yes
• Estrogen Conversion or Estrogen Agonist: Yes
• Anabolic Properties: Low

4-AD

• Testosterone Conversion: High
• DHT Metabolite Conversion: No
• Estrogen Conversion or Estrogen Agonist: No
• Anabolic Properties: Very high

5-AD

• Testosterone Conversion: Low
• DHT Metabolite Conversion: No
• Estrogen Conversion or Estrogen Agonist: Yes
• Anabolic Properties: High

19-Norandrostenedione

• Nortestosterone Conversion: Moderate
• DHT Metabolite Conversion: No
• Estrogen Conversion or Estrogen Agonist: Yes
• Anabolic Properties: Low

19-NOR-4-Androstenediol

• Nortestosterone Conversion: High
• DHT Metabolite Conversion: No
• Estrogen Conversion or Estrogen Agonist: No
• Anabolic Properties: Very high

[DragonRider]

Would it really be possible for PH to convert to the active ingredients stated above, but not give AS side effects?

[Rumpster]

Thanks, pit.

[PIT]

I believe they all can< give you the same sides as aas, but probably not as likeley or severe...

PIT

[Time4Growth]

Okay I took a 1ad 4ad combo from avant labs (moster combo) for 6 weeks, 10 squirts a day. Started out at 173lbs and ended up at 194lbs (had originally gone from 192 to 173 during a cutting phase). Of course, I upped my food intake significantly from 2K cals to 3.5K cals and worked out as hard as I could. One month later and back to 2K cals and I'm at 188. My belt size didn't change from 173 to 194 and my amatuer bf readings indicate that I stayed at around the same bf% 15-16. I definitely gained ... now was it a result of the ph or all the food?? Needless to say I was happy with the money I spent. Followed it up with 6-oxo.
Sides - none

[PIT]

Good to hear...

PIT

[ironman]

did Mag-10 from biotest. 4 weeks 2 times aday as per label. I powerlift so I am not so concerned with weight gain as strength. Put on 7 lbs bodyweight, but 30 lbs on my bench and 40 lbs on my dead lift. Little expensive and tastes like sh-t! I think it could be good in between cycles as a light bridge.

[MidnightRider]

I went from 180 to 201 on 4ad and ceatine. Could I have done it without the 4ad? I don't know. I think it was more the creatine than the 4ad. If you can score some test, I think your alot better off health wise to do a Test cycle.

[ROAD WARRIOR]

Originally posted by ironman

did Mag-10 from biotest. 4 weeks 2 times aday as per label. I powerlift so I am not so concerned with weight gain as strength. Put on 7 lbs bodyweight, but 30 lbs on my bench and 40 lbs on my dead lift. Little expensive and tastes like sh-t! I think it could be good in between cycles as a light bridge.

Wow, Ironman, you had some nice gains. I did the once a day-2 weeks on/2 weeks off/2 weeks finish and got nuttin' but a lighter wallet. It does taste like dookie, too. Oh well, nothing ventured...
nothing gained.

[redballer3232]

I ran a 6 week cycle of ergo pharm's Cyclo-Nordiol Powder. I ran 500mg daily in diviced doses. In my eyes it was a waste of money. I had no sides, but I had no gains either. Also, it tastes horrible and the aftertaste lingers.