HRT Deca & HCG

[horsepwr]

Does anyone know if HCG will still be as effective in bringing sperm count up to normal/above normal to make a baby even if you add deca to a cycle?

Or is deca a bad thing to run, period, if trying to procreate?

[Dragon]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

HCG has a slight effect. It mainly mimics LH which is not directly responsible for sperm production. HMG mimics FSH which does. Now HCG and HMG therapy together have a synergistic effect. Even while on HRT it can bring levels to normal after years of suppression. I can not say for sure that deca will effect it, but if your main goal is procreation, then personally I would stay off of it.

[daved150]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

i'd avoid it

[deepsouth]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

Even though there is no solid proof either way that I'm aware of, if you are going to try for a baby, my advice would be come off everything other than what is prescribed by your Dr.

* I had to do a ton of spelling correction to this- see if you can make sense of it now-LOL

[horsepwr]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

thanks for the input!

[6p6]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

this is a tough one for sure, there are plenty of guys who have been "on" even for years and still procreated but the common belief (albiet not sceintific) is that your long chain esters like deca will affect your spermys badly!

hcg, proviron are tops for assistance but remember hcg will shut part of normal hormone levels down too...proviron has been prescribed for sperm production in the past.

[Dragon]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

HMG+ HCG Here ya go:

Hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism

Infertile men with low levels of gonadotrophins can be successfully treated by HCG ( 3 x 2000 U/week i.m. for 2 months) followed by HCG + HMG ( 3x 75 to 3 x 150 U /week ) for 6 -12 months. Recombinant FSH is 3 times more expensive but not more efficient than HMG (F St 70:256,1998). Previous androgen therapy will not affect the responsiveness. Fertility is more difficult to achieve in case of previous cryptorchism (Finkel, NEJM 313:651,1985). Pulsatile GnRH therapy (4-8 ug subcutaneous every 2 hours) using a portable pump, together with i.m. HCG ( 3 x 2500 U/week) is not more efficient than HCG-HMG (Buchter, Eur J Endocr 139:298,1998)

- HMG + HCG is not better than placebo in cases of infertility with normal levels of gonadotrophins (Knuth, JCEM 65:1081,1987).

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Hyperprolactinaemia:

Treatment is useful in case of high levels of prolactin due to pituitary tumours (micro or macro-adenoma). Slight increase of prolactin due to stress or medication probably does not cause infertility. Usually levels of gonadotrophins and T are decreased. Fertility has been restored after long term treatment with bromocriptine, leading to a decrease of the size of the prolactinoma (Cunnah, Clin End 34:231,1991).

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Congenital adrenal hyperplasia:

Although many patients with that condition are fertile, some are not and they can be successfully treated by corticosteroids (0,5 or 0,75 mg of dexamethasone/day) (Bonaccorsi, F St 47:664,1987)."

This was taken from Medical treatment of male infertility

[horsepwr]

Re: HRT Deca & HCG

HMG+ HCG Here ya go:

Hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism

Infertile men with low levels of gonadotrophins can be successfully treated by HCG ( 3 x 2000 U/week i.m. for 2 months) followed by HCG + HMG ( 3x 75 to 3 x 150 U /week ) for 6 -12 months. Recombinant FSH is 3 times more expensive but not more efficient than HMG (F St 70:256,1998). Previous androgen therapy will not affect the responsiveness. Fertility is more difficult to achieve in case of previous cryptorchism (Finkel, NEJM 313:651,1985). Pulsatile GnRH therapy (4-8 ug subcutaneous every 2 hours) using a portable pump, together with i.m. HCG ( 3 x 2500 U/week) is not more efficient than HCG-HMG (Buchter, Eur J Endocr 139:298,1998)


This was taken from Medical treatment of male infertility

so it makes no difference.

Thanks for the post.