TweetBro,

People are only looking after you here. Yes, some are harsh, but for good reason. It's hard to believe people make statements like "Im gonna cycle whether I know what Im doing or not". I'm not trying to offend or flame here, but that's total ignorance man!

Yes, we all started new sometime. How old are you? I waited till I was 35 before starting my first cycle. I read the boards for many months and researched every AS I planned on using VERY thoroughly before even considering injecting illegal vet steroids into my body without a doctors supervision. Yes, it can be done safely, but when people go about it uneducated and half-assed, it's what gives us a bad name.

As for the advice you've been getting. Look, it's your first cycle. Go with the minimum dose you can and get gains. There's no reason to use 50mg dbol for your first cycle. It's been proven over and over that 30mg/day for weeks 1-4 is plenty! Leave yourself some room to go up in the future and save your liver a bit. A basic first bulking cycle could be Test, Deca (or EQ) and the dbol. But more importantly is to have your Nolvadex, Clomid, Liquidex and liver protectants such as ALA and Milk Thistle.

And to agree with some others, at 170lbs 5'11" in my opinion, you do not need steriods yet...you need a better diet. I guarantee if you changed to a decent bulking diet and trained properly, and used proper supplements like creatine, glutamine, protein, etc. you'd gain a shitload of weight (muscle) naturally.

Do a ton of more research...it's your body.

Good luck!

Skarn

TweetYour right bro,

Ive gotten alot of help this week. Im only going to take 25mg dbol aday and Im going to use test enthan week 1-10 400mg every mon and thurs 200mg each. Clomid and nolvadex is on the way. I am a little hazy on the liquidex so if anyone has advice on usin it let me know. Thanks again -Soc

TweetThere ya go, not a bad first cycle.

As for liquidex, for that cycle .25mg/day would work great.

Good luck and grow!

TweetThanks skarn Ill add that to my list. Also I was wondering should I just toss the liquidex right in from day one, or wait for sides?

TweetIMO, just use nolva.

TweetNo ,use the liquidex from the first day. The purpose of l-dex is to stop water retention, and dbol causes water retention.

TweetWill do thanks G*B

TweetI don't think he'll even need the liquidex. I'd say just have the Nolvadex on hand if you feel gyno comming on. Either way, YOU ARE NOT READY TO JUICE YET!