Tweetfirst cyc? i've seen your pics, you've got a great base...if this is your first cyc, i would try to steer you towards a test only cyc. (cyp or enath). 500 a week or so...maybe 400.

Tweetitd be my first cycle yeah, unless u count m1t from a few yrs back. The reason i was wanting to add tren is im not looking to put on a whole bunch of water weight and fat. Id like to see a nice 10lb gain and some decrease in BF. Thinking clean bulk.

TweetGreat example you are youngN. to stay natural throughout your peak and average natural plateau. Big dude too,huh! good job!

I agree with dave. You would see great results from just running test at 400-500mg/wk for 12wks or so, just to get your feet wet.
Adding tren is a serious kick with very noticeable results in strength, size and definition, and an all time favorite of mine. I appreciate the awesome effects of tren because of cycles without it at first. I doubt I would if I had it right from the start. I literally would hold off on the tren til number 2 just for that...to realize what a gem it is. That's really the only reason though. And, you should see how your body responds to test alone. Just to see and enjoy.

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Originally Posted by youngN

itd be my first cycle yeah, unless u count m1t from a few yrs back. The reason i was wanting to add tren is im not looking to put on a whole bunch of water weight and fat. Id like to see a nice 10lb gain and some decrease in BF. Thinking clean bulk.

After reading this again, it reminded me; you're putting too much credit, or blame, on the hormone. Your diet and training will determine these variables for the most part.

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Originally Posted by horsepwr

After reading this again, it reminded me; you're putting too much credit, or blame, on the hormone. Your diet and training will determine these variables for the most part.

I tend to always maintain a rather clean diet so if I ran test cyp solo what could I expect? Again still just trying to gain knowledge before jumping into anything

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if I ran test cyp solo what could I expect?

YOU WOULD GET EXCELLENT GAINS IF YOUR EATING AND TRAINING WERE EXCELLENT WHILE ON.

Tweeti dont gain fat on test cyp or enath. i loose fat!! water weight is at a min also...diet is the secret....i just wanted too see my body's reaction to test. i ran 400/week and gained about 18lbs. my diet SUCKED and my pct was terrible. i still kept about 5-6lbs of it. but, i knew what test felt like and acted like, so when i added other shyt, i knew any differences was the other compounds!
i just think you'll be happy and save a couple $....spend it on the next run.

Tweet^what he said. I'm running cyp alone right now, and I'm guessing it's from running enan for so long might be the reason, but I got a new found little boost from switching to cyp for the first time in a good few years.
I can honestly say that I feel cyp does have a little more water retention than enan though. After reading on different descriptions,for years, about the "harder look claimed from enan" that I have to agree. But in the same descriptions, they'll usually add how cyp & enan are interchangeable...I have to agree with that too. It's not worth noting. and, the little excess water could just be from a fresh esterified molecular structure and the whole receptor process.
I wouldn't sweat the cyp/enan thing at all. And I'd like to see after a long run of cyp, if the switch back to enan does the same. At which would negate the theory of enan and a "harder look". Again, not a decision maker. Either will result in the same. and you'll be more than satisfied with test alone.

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Originally Posted by daved150

i dont gain fat on test cyp or enath. i loose fat!! water weight is at a min also...diet is the secret....i just wanted too see my body's reaction to test. i ran 400/week and gained about 18lbs. my diet SUCKED and my pct was terrible. i still kept about 5-6lbs of it. but, i knew what test felt like and acted like, so when i added other shyt, i knew any differences was the other compounds!
i just think you'll be happy and save a couple $....spend it on the next run.

My "what he said" was for Fuzo, but dave squeezed a post in before I hit submit, but...what he said too about fat gain, or loss, rather. The testosterone hormone burns fat while building solid muscle mass.

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Originally Posted by horsepwr

My "what he said" was for Fuzo, but dave squeezed a post in before I hit submit, but...what he said too about fat gain, or loss, rather. The testosterone hormone burns fat while building solid muscle mass.

oh, well fuk you too then!!! lol...
i hear people swear eachway....i think fuzo hold more water on enath. mofo SWEARS enath bloats him up....i dont hold anymore from one or the other. i think it's individual bases and might have more to do with timing. (like winter apposed to summer)

Tweet^dass right. there...all better

TweetThanks guys for the info, so what's the frequency of injections and where would u recommend pinning? Also what's everyone used for PCT? Oh yeah anyone know a site that gives good directions on injecting I've read about it but need a better description.

TweetI will say this and I'll leave it alone- TREN-A/E is NOT for a 1st cycle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care what research you've done and what you've been told- that compound my friend is after you have a few under your belt-don't ask, just take my word for it. Be wise and don;t do like the rest of the ya-hoo's that jump into this game please