Tweetshouldnt have much of a prob with either. both are very mild on the liver and for all those but a few who are sensitive they are usually easy on the hair. alot of guys will tell you to do test with them. while i think you would get more out of the cycle if you did. it isnt neccesary

i have done oral only cycles with great success. var or tbol would be my choices. never used primo. small gains but what you get are lean muscle quality gains.

you will need an anti E (serm) for PCT either nolva or clomid will do. no need for them during.

good luck

Tweetyes u still need clomid and maybe nolvadex too, hair loss is an individual thing though.20mg anavar isnt much at all though even if its youir second cycle im not sure how much youll get out of that

TweetHair loss is only a problem if you are genetically predisposed.

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Originally Posted by AlmostThere

Hair loss is only a problem if you are genetically predisposed.

^ just speeds up the process .Look for hair loss products Nizoral and Finasteride helps hairloss !

Tweetdont expect much from that cycle...lots of money to pay for the small gains you will achieve.

TweetI think you would be better off nixing the Primo and just running the var at 40-50mg/d. Clomid would still be necessary post-cycle...

TweetJust to echo what everyone else has already said, I would scrap the cycle all together or up the dosages a little bit. Both of those compounds are wayyyy to expensive IMO to run .

Tweetty everyone...

im now thinking 50 mg anavar ed 12 weeks with 50 mg clomid ed pct for 3 weeks...

throw in 50 mcg/day clen 1st 2 weeks, then run once again somewhere mid cycle at a little higher, say 75 mcg/day. What do you guys think now???

yah i know results are not going to be great but i hope for some good improvements..

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Originally Posted by murph0110

ty everyone...

im now thinking 50 mg anavar ed 12 weeks with 50 mg clomid ed pct for 3 weeks...

throw in 50 mcg/day clen 1st 2 weeks, then run once again somewhere mid cycle at a little higher, say 75 mcg/day. What do you guys think now???

yah i know results are not going to be great but i hope for some good improvements..

12 weeks on var might be a bit harsh on the ole' liver. I would probably keep it around eight.

50-75mcg of clen is a very small dose. You will probably need a minimum of 100mcg/d, maybe a bit more. Start off at 40mcg/d and increase by 20mcg a day until you reach your tolerance level.

I would run clen with eca in a two weeks on two weeks off alternating pattern: i.e. clen 2 weeks, eca 2 weeks, clen 2 weeks so on and so forth.

For the goals you wish to attain, this would work quite well.

Tweetim 4 weeks into a 40 mg var only cycle with virtually no results at all.

About 1 week in started 60 nolva ed for about a week due to itch in chest area, seemed to lean a little during this time, but nothing since... pretty dissapointed... no strength gain, no leaning, really nothing at all...

Hitting the gym, grade of A, and although my diet has not been top notch, still not the results i was hoping for..

oh well.. tx for listenin....

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Originally Posted by murph0110

im 4 weeks into a 40 mg var only cycle with virtually no results at all.

About 1 week in started 60 nolva ed for about a week due to itch in chest area, seemed to lean a little during this time, but nothing since... pretty dissapointed... no strength gain, no leaning, really nothing at all...

Hitting the gym, grade of A, and although my diet has not been top notch, still not the results i was hoping for..

oh well.. tx for listenin....

Depending on your size, 40mgs is not a lot. The OLD rule of thumb was .125mgs per pound of bodyweight. (25mgs for a 200lb man). Newer findings say .50mgs per pound of bodyweight (100mgs for a 200lb person). Problem is, it's expensive. I personally always loved anavar. It worked well with Primo for me. And it does NOT effect your body's natural hormone production. Nor does it aromatize. Howeverm it is a C17 and is harsh on your liver.
Primo does not aromatize either.