TweetThis is my opinion. First you are running too little of EQ. You need to do at least 500mg/wk of it to see results. Also, for a third cycle, there is no need for you to run 3cc of Andropen that 825mg! You should grow well off 275mg split on Mon/Thurs at 550mg ew. No need to ramp dosages. Just do the 275 split for 12 wks and the EQ @ 500mg/wk for 12 wks. I prefer to do EQ for at least 14 wks though, cause it takes me about 6-7wks just to start to see results from it. To run Tbol at the beginning of your cycle to me is a big waste. Better to have the EQ and Test working well before running them. The cycle before last, i did them at wk 6 in a 12wk cycle. I would either do one or the other in this cycle and towards the end not the beginning. You don't need to ramp your orals either. I did 50mg ed and went up to 60mg ed on them, only reason i went up in dosage is that i felt i needed more. I ran them for 7wks. I also took Liv-52 and plenty of h20. PCT if it is a harsh cycle what i do is the 2-3 wks after my last inject i will run hcg @ 1000IU 3 times ew with 25-50mg ed of proviron. Then i will stop after the 2-3 wks and start pct of clomid 100mg ed for 7 days and 50 mg ed for the last 3 wks. I don't run nolva unless ive done a real harsh cycle, but this one your doing isn't. I would have some aroma on hand or some ldex.

Tweetbump what mick said.

- don't ramp doses. unnessessary.
- ditch the tbol. waiste of money from reviews i've heard. sell it to someone else and get your money back.
- bump the eq to at least 500mg. so if you shoot 1.25cc of eq along with 1cc of andropen (total of 2.25cc) just shoot that on monday and thursday or tuesday and friday, whatever schedule you prefer.
- this is a 12 week cycle with a very long estered test, so your PCT should start at week 15. you can run the winny from week 9 until week 15, up to PCT. don't run it into PCT.

follow these guidlines, and you're golden.

Tweet^ Bumop with what Mick and a-bomb said!!!

TweetI understand what you guys are saying about uppping the eq, but in regards to the andropen and t-bol.... i've had friends see amazing results when they front loaded their cycles with the t-bol... also i used to take 3 amps of sust a week (Karachi) that's why i figured i would run the andropen the same way... is that extra 25mg per day (75 mg per week) really put me over the top?

Also has anyone ever taken Andropen before... i'm heard amazing things about it, and that is why i am eager to try it... the only main side effect i've heard of is trouble sleeping.... but that may have been an isolated case...

Tweeti'd say the trouble sleeping was isolated. i've used sust before, and its too much of a hormone fluctuation, i don't like it. breaking out all the time, and just overall, didn't like it. i'm a single ester kinda guy. i mean, you're obviously going to do what you wish, so its not like i can personally stop you from doing what you want. we make these suggestions for a reason, ya know?

TweetI agree with the others. Up the EQ and no need to ramp it.

Good luck!
Skarn

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Originally Posted by absolutck22

I understand what you guys are saying about uppping the eq, but in regards to the andropen and t-bol.... i've had friends see amazing results when they front loaded their cycles with the t-bol... also i used to take 3 amps of sust a week (Karachi) that's why i figured i would run the andropen the same way... is that extra 25mg per day (75 mg per week) really put me over the top?

Also has anyone ever taken Andropen before... i'm heard amazing things about it, and that is why i am eager to try it... the only main side effect i've heard of is trouble sleeping.... but that may have been an isolated case...

Just out of curiosity how much did you weigh when you first began taking AAS? You say you used 750mg of Sust a week and you only have completed 2 cycles? Don't copy what your friends do. 750mg of Test per week is a waste of gear. Your receptors are fresh so you shouldn't need anything more than 500mg. You need to slowly build up to the higher doses.

TweetThe members here are very informed, I always read mick`s posts carefully.

I`m running andropen and EQ now and I love it. Here are my 2cc.

Try shooting 1cc of adropen and 1.1-1.2 cc of EQ every 3rd day.
This means 7 shots in 3 weeks.
This will give you a weekly average of..
641mg test and
513-560mg EQ

Worked for me.