TweetFor my next cycle I'm thinking of doing:

Tren Enanthate, Test Enanthate, Dbol & Prop.

With some help I got sought of a rough draft down:

1-4 dbol @ 30mgs ED
1-10 tren e @ 400 - 500mg (Mon/Thurs) shots
1-12 test e @ 500mg (Mon/Thurs) shots
13-14 prop @ 125mg EOD

Week 15 start Clomid

Liquidex - ??????????

Bromo - ????????

Weeks 5 - 3 days before Clomid
HCG - 312mg 2x a week (Mon/Thurs) shots

CLOMID
300mg ---- day 1
100mg----- days 2-11
50mg -----days 12-21

Nolvadex - 20mg ED Days 1 - 21

Do I need the Prop at the end? Just not sure on how to plan it out. Dont know all that much on dosing Tren Enan. and how long to take it.

I also read that you should "run the test higher and longer to help set up PCT"

Not sure on how to set up the PCT on this one. How long do you wait? I know 2 weeks after the Test E but how about the tren E?
Also not sure if I should add the prop at the end of the cycle.

Also would have on hand liquidex, nolvadex, bromo, clomid, HCG

I know i'm rambling on here but you get the picture.

Needs a little tweeking i'M SURE...ANY SUGGESTIONS???

Tweetrun tren e at 300, no more than 350mgs.

Tweetif u do decide to run the tren e at those dosages ..kick up the test to about 750...jmo....my sex drive dies if the test isnt a decent amount higher than the tren.....unless u r susceptable to tren related gyno..bromo wont be needed....i would either drop the prop all togther or put it towards the begining...of course u got the idea running the test a bit longer than the tren so start pct i believe its roughly around 14 days after last shot of test e... also y r u only running nolva for the first 21 days?...i could be wrong but i think alot of guys might say drop the hcg all togther

TweetWHY SVEN? TREN ACETATE AT 75MGS A DAY = 525 MGS A WEEK...THE TREN E IS JUST A SLOWER ESTER, SO WHY ONLY UP TO 350MGS? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME. CLUE A FELLA IN!

O2

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Originally Posted by O2BESOHUGE

WHY SVEN? TREN ACETATE AT 75MGS A DAY = 525 MGS A WEEK...THE TREN E IS JUST A SLOWER ESTER, SO WHY ONLY UP TO 350MGS? PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME. CLUE A FELLA IN!

O2

With the tren e, the ester builds up, so it hits you HARD! I have run tren A @ 75 ED, and found tren E almost untollerable @ 500mgs/week. ( I got more gains from tren E also) This ? has come up many times before on 2 other boards, WCB and AM. I did it myself, and found tren E, b/c of the ester buildup is more potent. The sides were for more rough too, but came in waves. They hit hard at 3 weeks, then gone and came back in week 9 I believe. I will try to find the posts and find the scientific answer for ya. until then......O2...... BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!..lol...

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Originally Posted by Sven

BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!..lol...

lol

TweetWhat o2 said :-)

750mgs of test is a bit to high for me..
Will doing 500mg Test E be that big of a deal?
the bromo I would have on hand just in case
Why drop the prop??? just dont see the need for it?? I'm going to kick start with dbol
Sorry...thats for PCT- Nolvadex days 1-21 20mg ED

TweetI re-read the discussion at WCB and didnt find much, but I read an articl about longer esters being superior and more potent due to the build up. If I can find it I will post it. But I read it once and everything just clicked into place.

the answer is still.. BECAUSE I SAID SO......

Tweetim doing tren e at about 600 mg's a week with minimal sides....everyone handles it differently.....500 should be no problem imo....tren e is one of my favorite copounds by far....i love seeing my triceps swollen and havign sick veings running thru them sideways....

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Originally Posted by Sven

I re-read the discussion at WCB and didnt find much, but I read an articl about longer esters being superior and more potent due to the build up. If I can find it I will post it. But I read it once and everything just clicked into place.

the answer is still.. BECAUSE I SAID SO......

I would have to disagree here too. LOL And here is why

First off I know the article you are talking about and it was written by Skyefire. He said that longer esterd gear maybe more potent than that of short estered gear. He used Tren E for an example and basically said how come people shooting 100mg/ED of Tren A can't handle shooting 750mg/wk of Tren E. Here is why:

Unstable blood levels.


Tren E is NOT more potent or does NOT build up in your blood system to exceed what you shoot per week. It is the Enanthate hormone causing influctuations in the blood levels. I have been shooting Tren E 400mg/wk and been nearing the end of my 16 week cycle and NO problems or sides other than what I mentioned earlier. I have been shooting Tren E EOD to help combat sides and blood level fluctuations and I believe that is why I have had little to no sides. This is my first time using Tren and by what everyone said I thought I was going to spazz out or flip out. I dunno. LOL But people made it worse than what it sounded.

Just a TAD bit of sweating here and there and back pumps, but back pumps I have gotten maybe 3-4 times. Other than the original starting of the cyle and a tiny bit of aggression I have been ok with the noticeable sides.



Here is some more info posted by GOT GEAR over at WCB about long estered gear and blood levels:

https://www.**********************.co...=ester+weights

I've seen this a couple of times now and I think people are getting confused.

If you take Test E for 10 weeks at 500mg/wk at NO POINT will your hormone levels excede the 500mg/wk dose (minus ester weight of course)

True, it'll take a few weeks before your body reaches it's maximum blood levels, but it WILL NOT exceede the 500mg/wk dose.

AS an example:

500mg/wk Test E vs 500mg/wk Test prop for 10 weeks.
Let's put ester weights aside as they are not relevent in this discussion.

At the end of week 1, testosterone levels in the person taking test prop will be much higher than the person taking test E.

At the end of week 2, testosterone levels in the person taking prop will be noticeably higher than the person taking test E.

-At the end of week 3, testosterone levels in the person taking prop will be only slightly higher.
-At the end of week 4, testosterone levels will be roughly the same.
-At the end of week 6, testosterone levels will be roughly the same.
-At the end of week 10, testsoterone levels will be roughly the same.
-At the end of week 11, testosteron levels in the person taking prop will be much LOWER than the person taking test E.
-at the end of week 12, testosteron levels in the person taking prop will be lower than the person taking test E.
-At the end of week 13, things start turning back to normal and testosterone levels return to about normal.

Again, this is putting ester weights aside.

Here is another reply by SUPERDUTY a few posts down explaining it a bit more.

Try to look at it like this: 500mg wk enan
Keep in mind that what is injected every week is not available right away

Wk 1 - 500 mg
Wk 2 - 500 + 250 (left over from first wk)
Wk 3 - 500 + 250 (left over from second wk) + 125 (1 wk)
Wk 4 - 500 + 250 (3 wk) + 125 (2 wk) + 62.5 (1 wk)
Wk 5 - 500 + 250 (4 wk) + 125 (3 wk) + 62.5 (2 wk) + 31.7 (1 wk)
Wk 6 - 500 + 250 + 125 + 62.5 + 31.7 + 15.8
Wk 7 - 500 + 250 + 125 + 62.5 + 31.7 + 15.8 + 7.9
and so on...

So to get the level that's free you add up all numbers except for the dose for that day/wk b/c it hasn't been broken down yet. So according to this your plasma levels wouldn't even reach 500 till about wk 8 or 9 b/c at wk 7 it is around 493 mg, that's why I'm a big fan of starting off a cycle with prop.

Peace,
SD

TweetDamn. I did QV Tren (75mg EOD) on my last cycle and that shit definitely was some potent shit. Too strong for me IMHO. Why not pump it EOD? Tren also shut me down pretty hard after the cycle.

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Originally Posted by urladyswidme

Damn. I did QV Tren (75mg EOD) on my last cycle and that shit definitely was some potent shit. Too strong for me IMHO. Why not pump it EOD? Tren also shut me down pretty hard after the cycle.

The whole concept behind the Enanthate ester here is so you dont have to shoot EOD, more like EW

TweetDamn Sven, it's so hard to look at your avatar and take you seriously. LOL

But, I know you know you stuff.

Tweetthis blood level stability thing is really ridiculious with the long esters. You can actually go 2wks without multiple shots of enathate or cypionate. Shooting it twice is not going to do a damn thing as far as results, especially with dosages of 400mg/wk and higher.

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Originally Posted by mick-G

this blood level stability thing is really ridiculious with the long esters. You can actually go 2wks without multiple shots of enathate or cypionate. Shooting it twice is not going to do a damn thing as far as results, especially with dosages of 400mg/wk and higher.

PLease elaborate, you lost me, I see your point, but where was this comment directed??