Tweetu meant dan duchaine........
i dunno, i always included test

TweetI WOULDNT DO IT WOTHOUT A BASE OF TEST. PERIOD

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TweetI thought that might be strange, but I gotta admit, i've yet to try Dbols. Guess I just havn't gotten around to it yet. It's considered to be the "Classic Stack" of all time. Maybe someday I'll mix it that way.....Shiner

TweetYou are correct. Dan Duchaine was the man who said "If you can't grow on Dbol and deca, you can't grow at all." Those were the earlier days before guys realized testosterone was essential in a cycle. Shit, back in the 70's and 80's, guys would do a dbol only cycle of 50mg a week. Or deca only cycles. Most of this stuff back in those days was geared towards the hardcore pro bodybuilder who really didn't give a shit if he could have kids or not. Now, there's more recreational users than pro bodybuilders. More studies, more time, more effort. It's come a long way since the early days.

Tweetdeca and dbol just dont seem like a good combo, to much water ret. just my two cents.

TweetI don't like the deca, but dbol, deca, test is the classic bulker.

Tweeti would include test but I also agree with the Guru (Dan Duchaine).

TweetIf you are prone to gyno, then yes, you will definately "grow" on this cycle.

TweetHmm "erectile dysfunction and lack of hard drive", hard drive? Anyways, I personally hate deca, it suppresses my natural test so much is rediculous, takes way to long to recover. The only cycle with out test that I would suggest doing, would be the tren only, i've had good results personally.