TweetI think Koss hit nail on a head.
BTW, a lot of people mistaken pain in lower back muscles with kidney pain, while on dbol on Tren. Kidney pain is something that makes people run to the hospital in a middle of the night.

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Originally posted by Small
I think Koss hit nail on a head.
BTW, a lot of people mistaken pain in lower back muscles with kidney pain, while on dbol on Tren. Kidney pain is something that makes people run to the hospital in a middle of the night.

I don't know about that bro. Kidney pain and musle pain are totally different feelings. I think even the newest of newbies could tell the difference...

TweetI have never seen any data that this is the case. Not a 17aa, IMOP, a few shots of Booze will do more damage.

TweetI agree drinking hard liquor is far more damaging to liver and kidneys.

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Originally posted by goliath
Ummm....the "edit" button works sometimes...

dude, I'm a moron, I'll be the first to admit. I dont see an edit button anywhere. I see: IP, quote, warn where most other sites have the edit button.

Tweetthat's true,i think drinking is tend to be more damage than orals,as i remembered i drank two times in my life.......

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Originally posted by goliath
I don't know about that bro. Kidney pain and musle pain are totally different feelings. I think even the newest of newbies could tell the difference...

I dont know man, when I took dbol years ago, I would get serious back pumps and not knowing any better, I used to think my kidneys were bursting. They didnt have the internet back then and nobody I knew, knew any better.
Even now, every now and then you see newbie threads about bro's worried about kidney pain when theyre on dbol.

Tweetall propaganda

TweetI've used homemade fina at 350mg a week for six weeks and had no problems. Twice...I've ran homemade fina at 700mg a week and BOTH times...I had kidney pain after about three weeks. I've used dbol at 50mg a day for 6 weeks and had no problems....I've also done very high doses of test/eq with 350mg of tren a week...and no problems. When I ran fina at 700mg a week (100mg a day)....I'd always get kidney pain....and it even happened when I ran fina alone...with no other drugs. So I believe...at least with the homemade fina and from my experience...is that it's more damaging to kidneys than most anabolics. So I recommend keeping it to lower/moderate doses and you'll be fine.

Tweetgood study Nandi12 found over on CEM, since most replies are guesses, do ur self a favor and take the time to read over it
https://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v23je03.htm

TweetIve seen about all the studies they are. None of them are for BB or PL that are taking in huge amounts of protien, lifting weights, or taking other anabolics.

You cant just try it out on a rat and expect the same for us. A rats lifespan is so much shorter that an 8wk cycle on a rat, woudl be like what...a 8 year cycle for us?

The best we can do is get blood work while on and check out whats going on in the kidneys. So far, Ive never seen anything in mine to raise an eyebrow.

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Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
The best we can do is get blood work while on and check out whats going on in the kidneys. So far, Ive never seen anything in mine to raise an eyebrow.

Me neither!

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Originally posted by iced
good study Nandi12 found over on CEM, since most replies are guesses, do ur self a favor and take the time to read over it
https://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...no/v23je03.htm

Damn...someone want to sum it up for me? I fell asleep after the third sentence! :p