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Originally Posted by proxonetapimp

if you knew how much i spend for the 4 bottles of QV var ... now i have a hole in my pocket, considering that right now im in mexico and still that shit is xpensive (even when i got it from a qv distributor )

You got fucked with no KY is what happened. Even a QV distributor will always give you lower prices than pharmacias

You got screwed my friend

Tweet[QUOTE=GirlPatriot]. I am a woman and run 20-25mg ed on var. To be effective I would recommend you increase that dose to 40-50mg ed. QUOTE]

what do you mean when you say "ed"? each day?

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Originally Posted by GirlPatriot

. I am a woman and run 20-25mg ed on var. To be effective I would recommend you increase that dose to 40-50mg ed. QUOTE]

what do you mean when you say "ed"? each day?

Yuppers! ED = every day, EOD = every other day

Tweetok i think i need to start a new post...thanks blink

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Originally Posted by proxonetapimp

do not want to go higher than 6 wks or maybe 8 wks , want to protect the liver.

If you believe that, you need to study longer before you start a cycle. That is a myth. It's nothing for me to run Dbol for 10 weeks and I've never taken any liver protectors.

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Originally Posted by DragonRider

If you believe that, you need to study longer before you start a cycle. That is a myth. It's nothing for me to run Dbol for 10 weeks and I've never taken any liver protectors.

I would never reccomend that to another...
Thats just like my grandfather, who is 82 years old, and smoked non filter ciggs since he was 18, saying, "smoking isnt bad, look at me".
You may be fine on a c-17 for that long, but most are not, especially without liver protectants.
I would NEVER reccomend anyone run orals longer than 6 weeks. They would have to make the call to go longer on their own without my blessing.

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Originally Posted by pigmeat

Thats just like my grandfather, who is 82 years old, and smoked non filter ciggs since he was 18, saying, "smoking isnt bad, look at me".

LOL.

TweetMy point is that orals are not as toxic as originally claimed. It's just my opinion that we start acting like that is a fact instead of saying it and then turning around and recommending liver protectors as if it isn't.
The theory on liver toxicity came from a study on AIDS patients who had been on Anadrol for 18 months without a break. No bodybuilder takes orals that long. The results of the study (on patients who had compromised immune systems), was that after 18 months on anadrol, they had elevated liver values. Now they are saying that an elevated liver value does not necessarily translate into a damaged liver. Additionally, aspirin, advil and tylenol also cause elevated liver values. After the study, the AIDS patients liver values returned to normal within 3 months of discontinuing the anadrol.
I'm not recommending anybody do what I do. I would just like to see this myth die.

TweetI have had extremely high liver values from 30mg of m-1t, after 3 weeks...

I know the liver is a remarkable organ, that generally can repair itself, but I cant condone or reccomend someone do something that would compromise their health like that.

I would reccomend someone take NSAIDS for a long period of time either, because of the toxicity.

TweetBro, I don't have a beef with you.
If I needed advice about something you are one of the people I would ask.
But, comparing M-1-t which is methylated and infinately harder on your liver to orals which are alpha alkylated is comparing apples to oranges.
I reiterate, I don't recommend anyone do what I do.
I'm only saying that 1. orals are not toxic at the amounts and duration that bodybuilders use them and 2. elevated liver enzymes does not = liver damage.

TweetLol, you know i dont have a beef with you either DR. Not even close....I guess i am just more on the "safe side"! Like i said, i would feel bad telling someone to run something 10 weeks and then they have trouble because they have a weak liver...see where i coming from.