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TweetNotice the extra peak in the middle one....Also noitce what the concentration says, 20.8mg/ml...but is it all var? The small peaks at the beginning are just solvent. The two big ones say 8.255 and it looks like 9.838 min. Hmm...

Lets take a closer look now.

TweetHere we go

TweetWell..its not all var afterall. Good thing we saw the GCMS eh?



You see my point now? Now maybe the lab pre-checks for things like this. Im not sure how they operate, but its nice to see these charts. I understand this is probally Greek to many here, but all it is really is a way of identifying samples down to the tinyiest bits and pieces.

TweetPs..sorry I dont have the 4th page. These have gotten scattered around a bit. It turned out to be 4-androsten-3, 17-dione

I dont remeber whos brand these were either.

TweetDamnit! I spend 20 minutes combing elite for those!!!!

TweetI believe that lab uses Acetonenitrile to extract the active ingredients out. This would leave no glue or binders in the sample. There are a few small peaks in the very beginning. Usually anything within the first 3-4 minutes are just solvents. They show up cause first like that cause the MW are low. Organic compounds are larger and will weigh more.

Its possible that this lab automatically detected that it was not Var. Either way though, there is no question once you have these in your hand. Thats my whole reason for even asking though.

TweetAlso, as Var was not detected, I believe the reason for seeing 2 peaks there and not just one is because (as it stated on the front page) were of different isomers.

TweetThose were fake BTG's BTW, not pharmacy ones...

But, if any var was in there AT ALL it would have shown. You would have seen a 3rd peak right up the middle around the 9.1-9.2 minute mark. Using that same solvent, and that same gas, Var would always show up at that spot. Reguardless of what else is in it. Thats one of the beauties of it.

Your right though, there are two different compounds. They happen to be the same MW formula, but they were isomers. Now I dont know if they were stereo-isomers (trans- and cis-), optical-isomers (r- and s-), constitutional isomers (different arrangements), or structural isomers (different geometry). I have a feeling they were optical though as they showed up very close on the UV spectra. I bet that is on the 5th page though.

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Originally posted by basskiller
I understand your reasonings..
But I assume that they didn't get the normal page like my friend did because of the fact the lab didn't find what was suppose to be in the tablet..
Or otherwise you would also see a report like the other ones.
They found andro instead of var, so they, the lab couldn't issue a report like the other ones..

I'm under the impression that the lab only gave out that BTG detailed report because of that fact.
They would have to prove that in fact their wasn't any var in the samples..Hence the lenthy report..

I just don't think that you'll see those graphs in every report.. just the ones that are found not to contain what was expected to find.

That is very well possible. Im not sure if thats the original first page or what though. It was almost worded as if the concern was brought up. Now maybe that was by the lab guy, or maybe by the customer...I have no clue.

But, say you have a compound that are nearly identical. Say they come out one at 9.1 minutes, the other at 9.2 minutes. Its not going to be as obvious without carefull analysis of this sheet.

That, and say the product is in fact there. What else is there though? Since they are only looking for X hormone, maybe Y product is also in there. Y could be anything...bacertia even in the worse case scenerio.

Thats what I meant by the end numbers dont mean much to ME. Just cause I know how this works and have done it before kinda makes me look at it a little different you know. All lab test should have these on files though. I think you could call up any lab and request the printout data if you wanted to. If a product works though, and the test comes out good...it pretty much speaks for it self.

Other reasons to see if from underground lab...well alot, probally not all deal with raw esterless powders and then put on the esters they want. By looking at the GCMS you can tell how good they did. You may find out there is a good 10% of suspension in your test. Which doesnt really mean anything, but it may explain things if it seems more painfull than you think it should be. Also, like people that make test from synovex...man I would be double checking that baby for estrogen lol.

Maybe its just me, I thought it would be neat to see it....look all the fuss I caused haha

Im laughing my ass off about the spelling comment though. I didnt realise I type dislexic sometimes.

Tweetman... you are a nerd... admit it

Tweetbilly you the man I love a smart ass muther fucker you guys are te reason I could concentrate on football,women,the gym and still passed all my classes in college but seriously you are a valuable asset to this board it is nice to talk to someone that knows the technical side of things and not just hey when I used it this happened or even worse when a friend of a friend of a friend heard of some guy he thinks such and such happened. Kept up the good work and I think all of us that have half a brain understand why you will not and can not do anything illegal and jepordize your future in a legal and very well paying carrer to make a couple of dollars off some idiots I respect you and back you 100%

TweetI should have taken more chemistry when I was in school. Then I might have a clue on what there talking about.