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Originally posted by MartinOrr
ok you quoted me on saying i was "too small"... i never said that anywhere, so you should read everything i say, not just the first couple sentences... and my only problem is that people like you are saying "dont go on it now, your too young"... i hope you reply again with soemthing like "dont go on it now, your too young BECAUSE... whatever"... dont just say not to go on it because i'm to young... and no im not worried about not growing any taller, i realize my muscles are still maturing, and i havent got an answer back on why that is bad (maybe you can tell me)

And my friend gives me advice on the steroids and what they will do to me... and his knowledge has so far outweighed the "your too young comments"

The only reason that the over 40 members rely on test shots is because they have taken so many cycles and now rely on it... if they hadn't have went on all the cycles, they wouldn't need them... so no, no one does need steriods unless you have conditioned your body to need them...

and i will try a bigger blanky... mommy goes shopping today, ill get her to pick me one up

I said you don't need them now. At 17, your body is producing enormous amounts of test all by itself. Using AAS will cause your body to stop naturally producing test and you most probably will naturally produce less after your recovery period. This in turn will make keeping your gains more difficult. Then you will do more. And more. And each time you will need more AAS just to keep what you have.

So, since you have this 'problem' and it's not that you think you're 'too small' what is it? Why else would you want AAS except to get bigger?

Many of the 'over 40' guys never touched AAS until their 30's. Your body naturally produces less test each year, after a certain age.

If I had your test levels, I wouldn't be doing AAS either.

When we say, 'too young' we mean 'your body makes enough on it's own'. It's not a slam on your age, it's based on your physiology.

Tweetlisten to jack and to teh rest of teh borad, u are too young to be doing it but u can(tren dbol is too harsh for u), but in the long term u will fuck ur self up and not worth it, u are too young, u have enough test 2 grow man, and WE ARE HELP TO HELP U OUT AND NOT MESS U UP, TRUST US ON THIS ONE MAN, WAIT LIKE 2 MORE YEARS AND THEN DO IT

Tweetok cool, those were good replies ha...
I'm curious if you know (seriously)... how much test my body might produce now?

Would be able to take any test right now, even though my body is still maturing even at a low dosage?

If not, is there anything else I could take (even though I see that most anabolics are derivatives of or very similar to test)... even though i realize test is usually a base for all cycles?

I really do want to take something, so what would you suggest I take if I were to take something at this age, something that wouldn't hinder my test production later on in life?... or is that possible at this point?

I'm not really interested in body-building so much as fighting (mixed martial arts), and generally looking good... I can't see my self doing more then 3 cycles in my lifetime, my main goal of anabolics is to gain weight, maybe have a finishing weight around 170-200, no higher then 200... If I were to do 1 cycle a year for 3 years, starting now, how would you stand... because thats kind of my plan... then i can wait for the steroids to leave my system and fight (hopefully, kind of a dream ha, but whatever... might as well shoot for something)

thanks...

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Originally posted by MartinOrr
ok you quoted me on saying i was "too small"... i never said that anywhere, so you should read everything i say, not just the first couple sentences... and my only problem is that people like you are saying "dont go on it now, your too young"... i hope you reply again with soemthing like "dont go on it now, your too young BECAUSE... whatever"... dont just say not to go on it because i'm to young... and no im not worried about not growing any taller, i realize my muscles are still maturing, and i havent got an answer back on why that is bad (maybe you can tell me)

And my friend gives me advice on the steroids and what they will do to me... and his knowledge has so far outweighed the "your too young comments"

The only reason that the over 40 members rely on test shots is because they have taken so many cycles and now rely on it... if they hadn't have went on all the cycles, they wouldn't need them... so no, no one does need steriods unless you have conditioned your body to need them...

and i will try a bigger blanky... mommy goes shopping today, ill get her to pick me one up

First off, you are wrong on the over 40 members......when anyone gets to that age (and sometimes younger), your natural test production slows down. That is a fact....this has nothing to do with previous steriod usage. You also stated that the average person only produces 2 grams of test in a lifetime. Wrong again! The average male produces 7-8 mg of testosterone per day, so that's 49mg/week times 52 weeks in a year and that's 2.5 grams of test per year naturally.

Lastly, there are reasons you are being told you are too young for AAS. Why do you think that is? Do you think we are jealous and don't want you to grow? Do you think we have ulterior motives? Do you think we just don't know what we are talking about? This board and others have YEARS of experience between all the members and I don't think you will find ONE person that agree's with you that you are old enough to start AAS.

If you are only 150lbs, you are NOT eating enough! That is a fact, not an opinion! At 17 or 18, you are NO WHERE near your peak so stop telling everyone you have peaked! That is crap. I was 145lbs at 18 years old and thought I was doing everything right as well. Now I'm 220lbs and I'm 36 years old. I didn't touch AAS until two years ago. I was 200lbs when I started. I gained the majority of my weight from diet! DIET is the MAIN factor in your weight gain whether you use AAS or not!

We are not trying to be asses here, we just want you to do the right thing so you don't regret it later! If you don't believe all the vets with experience here, do the research yourself...ask medical professionals why you shouln't at your age...

Good luck!
Skarn

Tweeta question... if your average test levels slow down, then its not really a big deal then correct?... like you still wouldn't have to take steroids...

i realize my body produces a lot of test now, but would taking additional test prove negative to my body in any way?

TweetYou want to know why no one here is for it?

You haven't earned it kid.

I, for one, am dismayed you want to take the path of least resistance, the quick-fix, the easy way, call it what you want...

With patience, dedication, and hard work in the gym, (you know OLD SCHOOL) you can reach your natural potential, and you will be glad, and keep your gains from that. I bet everyone on this board who's telling you not to do it has served their time as a natural.

Tweetmy one friend, i assure you, is not pushing me at all... he actually just told me that it is my call, when I asked him some questions about anabolics, he frequents this site, and I'm sure he has seen what people have been saying... i assure you, he in no way would push me to take anabolics...
and i am no more stubborn then any of the rest of you... i am simply playing devils advocate to my original position which has changed......

please, everyone who has posted, or looked at this link, please check out my second post "Answer's for a Newbie #2"

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Originally posted by MartinOrr
The average man only produces 2 grams of test his whole life, i'll be taking in about 7 to 9 in my cycle, its not like you need test constantly... and why not wait? because i have peaked, i have switched up everything up... none of you know me and are questioning my character, and thats fine, but i assure you, i used to be very skeptical of anabolics and deemed them as an evil drug. Once i learned more i realized that they could help solve my problem....
thank you for all your replies as well, keep em comming... i'm going to post a cycle journal, so if something retarted happens to me you can laugh and say i told you so... but as you all know, nothing bad will happen to me if i take the proper precautions and have the anti-estrogens handy... i wont grow anymore, but im 5'11", im tall enough!... i dont wanna be freaky tall, and i assure you, i havent grown in over a year

This prooves you know little to nothing about the human body. The body isnt constintaly producing test? where did you dig that tid bit up from?...Id love to hear this

Youve peaked at 17, gee thats funny cause Im 10 yrs older than you and my muscle maturity along with every other male on the planet doesnt hit its full potential until about the age of 30

what did you learn about testosterone, that will solve your problem? So 3-4 months at a nice low dose, and you will just cruise that 30lbbs or so you desire and keep every drop of it, correct?

of course nothing can go wrong, your using anti-e's, whenyour not even using enough test to warrant a spike in levels that would fcause any type of bloating or an on set of gyno...but youve got ant-e's, ur OK

As far as growth in terms of height, you can still have a sprout until the age of 21, will the added test cause this, I dunno you seem to know, tell me...


Let me give you some advice, and dont even waste your time with this.You are a young kid, with a soft ego, that needs some kind of boost, and of course just like the rest of the uneducated steroids are whats gonna do it. And when it doesnt help you in the way its supposed to, and it off sets your naturla chemical imbalance, and you get all fucked up and dpressed, and your parents find out about the roids, and you coming to places like this, we'll hear another round of "YOU screwed up my kid"

no your son fucked himself up by not reading this, or the 25 posts before it, tell him to work harder eat more, and wait...and kiddo you cant do any of that, why even bother with the sport at all?

In short, Im going to ask every single member here that they arent to advise him any futher since he is a minor, and the site os for the discussion of adults only, when your 18, come back, and argue somemore with us, but in the mean time, youhave that buddy of your contact me directly, so I can hear his vast knowledge on the matter, so far his prooven as uneducated as yourself

TweetSorry, I would of locked this thread a long time ago with a friendly PM telling him to do more research before posting.

TweetRemember Frig he said he is tall enough at 5'11" LOL
Martinorr; I hope you do the right thing bro and dont wreck your body at such an early age, good luck.

TweetMartinorr, Quote: "but i assure you, i used to be very skeptical of anabolics and deemed them as an evil drug. Once i learned more i realized that they could help solve my problem".... Is the problem only that you want to gain???? I have some questions and then a comment.... 1. What is your diet like; ie: cals ed, protein ed, carbs, sleep patterns, supplements? 2. What is your training like, including cardio how much. Post your weekly workouts? 3. How old is this person giving you this advice and how old and what is his experience? I personally think you have good self-esteem, and a good ego, maybe alittle more than average, and thats not a bad thing. I know what it was like to be your age and want to be of good size and muscularity. What i would suggest is to make an appointment with an endrocronoligist. You can find one in your local phone book or if you have insurance, go with one there. When you go tell the Dr. your having problems with gaining weight and tell the doc your problems and your diet. Have the Dr. prescribe a sperm analysis and a metabolic profile on your free test levels to see if there is a problem first before doing any aas. Also ask the dr questions about if you have reached your physical potential for growth. I would also suggest to the dr about you hearing about guys taking steroids for getting bigger and see what the dr's response is. If the results of the sperm and metabolic profiles show low test the dr will most likely prescribe low levels of depot test or another form of therapy which will help you in that respect and you will get human grade quality if it is prescribed for this. I would definitely not jump the gun starting all of this, as if you do you could also damage you sperm, making abnormalities in the head of the sperm, count, and mobility. I know you are too young to think of having children, but someday you will meet that girl you want to be with for the rest of your life. You don't want to distroy the chances of being able to father children for her, and not be able to afford to give her or yourself that privilege, do you?? For your answer, does steroid cause problems later in life, yes they do. Thats why these good ppl here are asking you to wait. You will have a much better handle on doing this in another 6-10 yrs from now. There are certain supplements to take to help in having problems later, that can help in this. I know you are very anxious and troubled with the body not responding, but you need to take a close look at what your doing or not doing and see if you can make adjustments; ie: diet, protein, training and go to the dr's first before doing something now that could affect you years later in life that will be irreversible.

Tweetwait a while before u start bro for real don't just think we don't want u to do them... we r all giving u advise out of our own experience ... wait until ur in ur twenties so u don't fuck up ur growth process....then do them ...but as far as the cycle it looks good, but only when ur in ur twenties .. honestly bro listen to all these guys giving u this advise.... be safe