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Originally posted by nautica
So with the name Methyl -1-testosterone, I will assume that they added a methyl group (CH3) off the first Carbon position. With this being said - how can this make the testosterone act any different. The methyl group is relatively inert, so once it is cleaved, the substance would only be testosterone.

If it was an anabolic substance without the cleavage, then it would be illegal.

Do you have a chemical structure downloaded, which I could view??? Also, what are their claims as to how this substance acts, once in the present of HCL?

Nautica

1-testosterone, is completly diffrent than testosterone. It doesnt aromatise. I think you are confused.

Tweethere is a better profile of m-1t


https://anabolicarchive.com/M-1-Tprofile_early.pdf

TweetWhat is the difference in 1-test and test???

Nautica

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Originally posted by nautica
But I guess my point was, since it is not a functional group, would it still not have the same anabolic properties as test?

Nautica

No, it will have different anabolic and androgenic properties than test.

Think about it this way, all the AS that exist (dbol,winny, primo, etc.) are all derivatives of testosterone. Just by adding a methyl group here or a double bond there, the properties of the parent compound (test) change pretty drastically in some cases.

M-1-T is as different from test as primo or dbol. Since it doesn't have a 4,5-double bond, it can't aromatize. The 17-methyl should decrease it's androgenicity and may change it's anabolic character (as compared with 1-test) as well. IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

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Originally posted by nautica
What is the difference in 1-test and test???

Nautica

The difference is the position of the double bond in the molecule. In normal test, the double bond is between the 4 and 5 positions and in 1-test, the double bond is between the 1 and 2 positions. Normal test could be called 4-test using analogous nomenclature.

This may not seem like a big change but it is. That change makes it impossible for it to aromatize. It also changes the 3-dimensional shape of the molecule and thus changes its binding affinity for the AR and its anabolic character. Again, that seemingly small change makes it a completely different steroid with different properties.

TweetHey spidey so is there no need to run pct say if your going to run it with 4-AD or 4-OHT? from what I've read you really should not run M1T by its self. Your opinion?

TweetI see, thanks spidey, It is nice to see someone that understands the chemistry behind these compounds. I assume you have a degree in chemistry???

Nautica

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Originally posted by jetset
Hey spidey so is there no need to run pct say if your going to run it with 4-AD or 4-OHT? from what I've read you really should not run M1T by its self. Your opinion?

My opinion is that it still seems pretty androgenic from what I have been hearing. It will probably suppress the HPTA significantly so I think PCT is a good idea. I see no reason why it couldn't be run by itself like dbol or var. I have been seeing mixed results on its effectiveness though. I think the jury is still out on how good M-1-T is....

If you are running it with 4-AD, PCT is a must since 4-AD is pretty suppressive in it's own right (on the same order as test itself). I don't know anything about 4-OH-test so I can only guess. It is being billed as similar to clostebol (4-Cl-test) but I kind of doubt it is that similar; too many fundemental differences between Cl and OH. If I had to guess, I would say it is probably suppressive. LOL, statistically I would have a good chance of being right since the only AS I know of that isn't suppressive is proviron.

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Originally posted by nautica
I see, thanks spidey, It is nice to see someone that understands the chemistry behind these compounds. I assume you have a degree in chemistry???

Nautica

I have a Ph.D. in synthetic organic chemistry.

TweetThanks for the info spidey.

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Originally posted by spidey
I have a Ph.D. in synthetic organic chemistry.

Obviously. Congrads, that is an extremely difficult field to learn.

Nautica

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Originally posted by spidey
I have a Ph.D. in synthetic organic chemistry.

Yeah, congrats. Organic chemistry just kicked my ass this past semester. I understand all the fundamentals, but I'll be damned if I can memorize 20 million reagents and conformations and all that other bullshit.

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Originally posted by jsjs24
That's what I hear too. Does it shut you down...are anti-e's needed.

Shut down = hell yes, no aromitization though. Supposed to be fina-like, yet some people are claiming near pound a day gains, which I am baffled by.

I'm running "legal gear" stuff, 1Fast400 is now the low price leader though.