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TweetI asume it most cases it would....Originally posted by ZedsDead
so this stuff doesnt shut u down?
Yep, thats right, i'm a monkey and you're not.
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Tweetsounds like a plug
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Tweetive gained about 8 pounds so far and im only eating slightly above maintenance calories and have been doing cardio about 5 times a week, so even with all those variables i have still gained on it, and it has gotten me some good strength gains getting like 3-4 more reps on my lifts.
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TweetYes it does because it is a steroid and a strong one at that. Its only legal because of a loophole. Many can't even handle it for more than 2 weeks because of sides.Originally posted by ZedsDead
so this stuff doesnt shut u down?
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TweetI don't know what you consider big but I'm about 242lbs 5'10'' 19 3/4'' arms and still growing off of it. Also I've used test suspension, winny, dbol, anadrol, tren, and some others and I will say the only drug I've taken that will beat the gains I'm haveing so far is anadrol. Also keep in mind I ran anadrol at 100mgs and I'm only using this stuff at 20mgs ed.Originally posted by Juicemonkey101
Any wieght or strength gains yet??
Any of the Big Boys used this product or are considering it? jack, bdtr, 3vandoo??? Just curious.....
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TweetYes, i would consider that big! Good to hear that people are growing off this product... looking forward to trying it!Originally posted by jstrong20
I don't know what you consider big but I'm about 242lbs 5'10'' 19 3/4'' arms and still growing off of it. Also I've used test suspension, winny, dbol, anadrol, tren, and some others and I will say the only drug I've taken that will beat the gains I'm haveing so far is anadrol. Also keep in mind I ran anadrol at 100mgs and I'm only using this stuff at 20mgs ed.
Yep, thats right, i'm a monkey and you're not.
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Tweetyup. PC is needed.Originally posted by jstrong20
Yes it does because it is a steroid and a strong one at that. Its only legal because of a loophole. Many can't even handle it for more than 2 weeks because of sides.
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TweetWhy would you think that? It can't aromatize so no estrogen can be formed.Originally posted by jetset
jsjs from what I have heard anti-e's are a very good idea.
Spidey is a fictional character. I do not use or condone the use of illegal drugs. Any references to steroids or other illegal drugs is purely for entertainment purposes and role-playing.
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TweetProlangtum did a two week trial with this stuff from power nutrition. He was cutting but his diet looked pretty high calorie to me but he ended up losing 2 or 3 lbs lbm and only 1lb fat. He actually lost more lbm than he did fat! That doesn't sound all that good to me.
I think I will wait for some other people to try this stuff before I waste my money. Besides, I haven't seen any data whatsoever on its liver toxicity. It could be 10 times worse than anadrol for all I know.
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Tweeti am gonna start to run MIT and 4ad in the beginning of Jan. and i am hopefully going to run it for 6wks at 20mg. I will be getting my liver values checked every 2wks to see what the changes are. I already have had a baseline done so i will see how much this stuff will raise it. I will keep you guys posted so you all can know how liver toxic this stuff really is..
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TweetSo with the name Methyl -1-testosterone, I will assume that they added a methyl group (CH3) off the first Carbon position. With this being said - how can this make the testosterone act any different. The methyl group is relatively inert, so once it is cleaved, the substance would only be testosterone.
If it was an anabolic substance without the cleavage, then it would be illegal.
Do you have a chemical structure downloaded, which I could view??? Also, what are their claims as to how this substance acts, once in the present of HCL?
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Tweetnope ill just stick to the real stuff broOriginally posted by Juicemonkey101
Any wieght or strength gains yet??
Any of the Big Boys used this product or are considering it? jack, bdtr, 3vandoo??? Just curious.....
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TweetNo Nautica. It is 17-alphamethyl-1-test. It is a 17-AAS like dbol or winny. Thus the liver toxicity questions.Originally posted by nautica
So with the name Methyl -1-testosterone, I will assume that they added a methyl group (CH3) off the first Carbon position. With this being said - how can this make the testosterone act any different. The methyl group is relatively inert, so once it is cleaved, the substance would only be testosterone.
If it was an anabolic substance without the cleavage, then it would be illegal.
Do you have a chemical structure downloaded, which I could view??? Also, what are their claims as to how this substance acts, once in the present of HCL?
Nautica
Also, your general assumption that a methyl at ANY position would not change the character of the steroid much is mistaken. For instance, a methyl at the one position drastically decreases AR binding makeing the steroid much less androgenic. It also affects the anabolic character but I am not sure by how much. 17-methylation also generally decreases AR binding but I think there are some exceptions.
Carbon-Carbon bonds are not cleaved in the body so that methyl is there to stay. It won't "cleave" to release testosterone.
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Tweetis this stuff bought online or at GNC and other health food stores
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TweetBut I guess my point was, since it is not a functional group, would it still not have the same anabolic properties as test?Originally posted by spidey
No Nautica. It is 17-alphamethyl-1-test. It is a 17-AAS like dbol or winny. Thus the liver toxicity questions.
Also, your general assumption that a methyl at ANY position would not change the character of the steroid much is mistaken. For instance, a methyl at the one position drastically decreases AR binding makeing the steroid much less androgenic. It also affects the anabolic character but I am not sure by how much. 17-methylation also generally decreases AR binding but I think there are some exceptions.
Carbon-Carbon bonds are not cleaved in the body so that methyl is there to stay. It won't "cleave" to release testosterone.
Nautica
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Nautica is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form use, encourage, nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only.
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