TweetI'm still not sure I understand. Throw out the test and winny? I have never tried a cycle without test, but hey if I can save a couple vile of prop I will.

I guess I am trying to maximize the fatloss, and wanted to know if I am wasting time thinking that the gear will help. I have always cut up real well with that stack with mild cardio and high intensity/high repition resistance training. I just wasnt sure if the gear would still work as well or better if I concentrate on cardio and fatloss only.

Here's the other thing, I always heard about runners and sprinters juicing (endurance atheletes). That's why I wanted to see how I could apply it to my upcoming spring cutting sessions. What are they using? I could still add the clen/t3.

I have always hit a wall of 13.5% bf @ 195 lbs. I am 5'8". My goal for the summer is 10% or less @ 185-190. So I am hoping that I can do it this way.
I cant take any ephedrine products anymore cause they fucked me up pretty bad and I was on anxiety meds, etc....so that's out.

Tweetwhen i was cutting but just wanted to keep muscle, i used fina by itself at 75mg/eod and it worked for me. if your goal is to just keep the muscle you have i don't believe you need a lot of drugs

TweetI agree with bigjim, if your only trying to maintain mass, then fina EOD or even test once a week would be a good choice.

D_H

TweetLifting gives the same benefits as cardio does and even more. You wanna cut ? Just adjust your workout routine.

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Originally posted by cannibal
I just joined this board, but some of you may know me from elite and Triedia. I have been juicing for about 4 years and started with only bulking cycles, then bulking in the winter and cutting in the summer. I am at the point where I want to try something new, 5-6 days of cardio with 1-3 days of light lifting (maintenance).

Question: With a workout like that would I benefit from a Prop/Winny/Fina cycle, or am I just wasting the gear?

I know it sounds like an ignorant question but I couldnt find any info on it. My goal is to lose as much fat as possible, get as hard as possible and just maintain what I have. Not looking to get bigger, actually want to get a little smaller (less bulk).

BTW I am 31 years old, if that make any difference.

I agree with manny78 except I wouldn't just concentrate on changing the workout routine but the diet overall. With the exercise routine though if you think light lifting will maitain your muscle you are wrong. You will end up losing alot of muscle with that. Rather, try and keep it at 2-3 days maybe either upper/lower body split or the push/pull/leg day split on non-consecutive days and concentrate on training with the heaviest weight with good form for 6-12 reps. That will help you maintain your current muscle mass while the extra cardio and diet plus the drugs will help you all the more to maintain muscle or even build still while losing as much fat as possible which WILL make you look less bulky and hard and jacked as fuck!

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Originally posted by Mike P.T.
I agree with manny78 except I wouldn't just concentrate on changing the workout routine but the diet overall. With the exercise routine though if you think light lifting will maitain your muscle you are wrong. You will end up losing alot of muscle with that. Rather, try and keep it at 2-3 days maybe either upper/lower body split or the push/pull/leg day split on non-consecutive days and concentrate on training with the heaviest weight with good form for 6-12 reps. That will help you maintain your current muscle mass while the extra cardio and diet plus the drugs will help you all the more to maintain muscle or even build still while losing as much fat as possible which WILL make you look less bulky and hard and jacked as fuck!

That's some pretty good advice IMO.

TweetThat's why I'm the best trainer in my gym. Top in sales and I just started P.T.'in again. I'm also the youngest.

Ok that sounded a lil cocky. Oh wait I am!!!

Hehehe thx bro.

TweetThanks guys,
But here is the next obvious Q. I have tried to cut before with a similar routine to what you stated. I just added cardio a few days a week and changed my diet. What happened is that I always felt weak and tired. My strength went to shit.
I reduced carbs drastically (30-70 grams a day) 1900-2400 calories and about 250-300 grams of protein.
I just always feel kinda sick when on that routine.

Thats where the idea of reducing resistance training while dieting came from. I figured that since I feel well enough to do the cardio I will. But lifting got REAL DEPRESSING, and I dont just mean the actual wieght, but the overall feeling.

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Originally posted by cannibal
Thanks guys,
But here is the next obvious Q. I have tried to cut before with a similar routine to what you stated. I just added cardio a few days a week and changed my diet. What happened is that I always felt weak and tired. My strength went to shit.
I reduced carbs drastically (30-70 grams a day) 1900-2400 calories and about 250-300 grams of protein.
I just always feel kinda sick when on that routine.

Thats where the idea of reducing resistance training while dieting came from. I figured that since I feel well enough to do the cardio I will. But lifting got REAL DEPRESSING, and I dont just mean the actual wieght, but the overall feeling.

i am on like 25g of carbs a day right now for 8-9 days now. the first 3-4 i felt like shit. once you get used to it your body will adjust. my strength is starting to come back now. i do cardio 3 times a week for 30 min each time. i lift m-f one bodypart a dy intense, 6-10 reps. i am also running 600mg/wk of eq

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Originally posted by cannibal
Thanks guys,
But here is the next obvious Q. I have tried to cut before with a similar routine to what you stated. I just added cardio a few days a week and changed my diet. What happened is that I always felt weak and tired. My strength went to shit.
I reduced carbs drastically (30-70 grams a day) 1900-2400 calories and about 250-300 grams of protein.
I just always feel kinda sick when on that routine.

Thats where the idea of reducing resistance training while dieting came from. I figured that since I feel well enough to do the cardio I will. But lifting got REAL DEPRESSING, and I dont just mean the actual wieght, but the overall feeling.

Of course if you drastically decrease carbs and keep it low you're going to feel like shit. Your brain is fueled mainly by glucose and your weight training workouts are fueled mainly by your stored form of carbohydrate which is glycogen. Keep it low and what did you expect. Instead, why not try having carb up days. Depending on your metabolism for example you can hav carb up days either one or 2 days of the week. Make it on the weekends even. That will help to fill up glycogen stores, give you increased energy and metabolism, up hormonal output and keep t3 levels in check.(since lowering carb intake also correlates with lowered t3 levels)