TweetTest should always be the base for any "cycle". Exogenous hormones will shut your natty production down, as what happened here when he ran the var solo. With sub-par test levels of course libido will be affected. As stated previously, Aroma will not block estro but rather inhibit aromatization. This is the function of AI's. A SERM such as nolva will block the estro receptor thus preventing any circulating estro from binding to the receptor. If he plans on continuing to run anything then he needs to suck it up and add some test into the mix.

TweetI wouldnt stop the Tbol I would simply add some fast acting Test for the 1st 3-4weeks with a long ester also....Depending on his age not sure but sounds like he is young...There is no way simply tbol will shut him down in the 1st 7-21 days...If there caps than ur not always sure what ur getting! Load up on some Test and cialis till the Test kicks in! Hcg and Hmg would also be a good idea to get.

ARX

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Originally Posted by juiceman

Yes tbol solo he's new to this he doesn't want needles he's not ready. Could I use aromasin ? That will prevent it from aromatizing or is proviron the key ?

for this reason.... he should just wait till he is ready or maybe its not for him altogether. did i miss how old he was somewhere?

Tweet'Even though some UnderGround Labs have access to this item, and it appears on their price-lists, its still rare enough.'


This, i agree with. you really don't see the stuff around. a lot of tbol really isnt tbol at all. for labs, there is no real percentage in it for going through all the trouble of making it since there are too many other compounds that work so much better and are more sought after by consumers.

not to say that he doesn't have real tbol, but if he does, then im impressed.


easy fix, through. load up with prop. and, throw some high quality tribulus terrestris in the mix.

TweetBro it's real tbol I got the Raws myself and I can physically compare the powder to my dbol and its a different texture......as for what he did he just stopped.

Tbol is 4$ a gram there is no reason for a lab to fake it so I don't think a ugl will fake unless there shady cause dbol is about 1-2$ a gram so it's double the price but they're both cheap

TweetI had Canadian pharm grade TBOL all originAl packaging but I didn't like it much.

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Originally Posted by juiceman

Bro it's real tbol I got the Raws myself and I can physically compare the powder to my dbol and its a different texture......as for what he did he just stopped.

Tbol is 4$ a gram there is no reason for a lab to fake it so I don't think a ugl will fake unless there shady cause dbol is about 1-2$ a gram so it's double the price but they're both cheap

Hey Juicer,

Like I said, not saying your TBOL isn't the real McCoy, just impressed that it is. Personally, i quit using orals a long time ago so I am not a first hand authority on them. not for a while, anway, but my thoughts on turinabol come from some body building biochemist friends of mine. These are guys who make all their own steroids. They do it by buying off the shelf DHEA (DHEA shares the same basic 19 carbon molecular structure that all AASs have in common) and chemically alter to produce whatever compound they want. They once explained all the ins and outs the china (and other) labs go through in ramping up to make a single compound in bulk. its a little invovled, and some coupounds, tren E (which explains the high price), takes significantly more effort. Turinabol falls in that category which is why, like you said, its double the price. so no, it wouldn't surprise me if some ugls would substitute with a cheaper compound and double their profit.

The other thing my chemist friends do is test all our gear for us (our little gym gang here) and it was they that told me that they dont test tbol that often, but of the times they have, they've come across quite a few instances where the compound wasn't tbol at all. It was steroidal, just wasn't real tbol.

Also, if i remember right, and someone correct me if I am wrong, tbol was an uncommon item until British Dragon began manufactoring it some years ago. but as for as price vs effectivness, tbol just aint the way to go. I think that on the anabolic scale of 100, tbol rates about a 53 whereas dbol, a cheaper product, rates about 90. tbol is light on muscle gain but is good on strength - but not as good as, say, tren for example. but, there is no estrogen conversion so thats a plus, too.

i've never actually used the stuff, so like i said - no 1st hand experience.

anyway, i would think tbol is responsible for your sexual disfuntion.

the reason I recommended tribulis terrestris is because it has a very nice effect on the sex drive. it increases the test levels, too, but its one big reedeming factor is that is has a real nice effect on libido. its why it is the primary active ingredient in every male sex performance on the market. even on cycles, i use to take about 1000+mg approx 4-5 hours before sex and it was great.

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Originally Posted by TexSon

Hey Juicer,

Like I said, not saying your TBOL isn't the real McCoy, just impressed that it is. Personally, i quit using orals a long time ago so I am not a first hand authority on them. not for a while, anway, but my thoughts on turinabol come from some body building biochemist friends of mine. These are guys who make all their own steroids. They do it by buying off the shelf DHEA (DHEA shares the same basic 19 carbon molecular structure that all AASs have in common) and chemically alter to produce whatever compound they want. They once explained all the ins and outs the china (and other) labs go through in ramping up to make a single compound in bulk. its a little invovled, and some coupounds, tren E (which explains the high price), takes significantly more effort. Turinabol falls in that category which is why, like you said, its double the price. so no, it wouldn't surprise me if some ugls would substitute with a cheaper compound and double their profit.

The other thing my chemist friends do is test all our gear for us (our little gym gang here) and it was they that told me that they dont test tbol that often, but of the times they have, they've come across quite a few instances where the compound wasn't tbol at all. It was steroidal, just wasn't real tbol.

Also, if i remember right, and someone correct me if I am wrong, tbol was an uncommon item until British Dragon began manufactoring it some years ago. but as for as price vs effectivness, tbol just aint the way to go. I think that on the anabolic scale of 100, tbol rates about a 53 whereas dbol, a cheaper product, rates about 90. tbol is light on muscle gain but is good on strength - but not as good as, say, tren for example. but, there is no estrogen conversion so thats a plus, too.

i've never actually used the stuff, so like i said - no 1st hand experience.

anyway, i would think tbol is responsible for your sexual disfuntion.

the reason I recommended tribulis terrestris is because it has a very nice effect on the sex drive. it increases the test levels, too, but its one big reedeming factor is that is has a real nice effect on libido. its why it is the primary active ingredient in every male sex performance on the market. even on cycles, i use to take about 1000+mg approx 4-5 hours before sex and it was great.

Ahh sorry if i came off strong saying its not fake. I appreciate the info man, i didnt know you had that info to back it up. Can you pm me about how china mass produces etc etc and all that? Im very interested in the process and what not..........

TweetTbol has been around before BritishDragon ever started..RIP in Dec 2006 BDragon...Jenapharm originally produced it if i remember right...and in 65 was used in clinical test!
In the 80s 10 and 20mg tabs were available...If im not mistaken IP produced it in 79-80 atleast that what the 3member co said it was!
As comparing Tbol to Dbol u get way more Quality Gains from tbol than dbol...I love both products and usually run dbol at 50mg or+ ed and tbol at 100mg+ ed....As for strength and quality LBM without the bloat witch i like with dbol tbol is a quality Product Period! More xpensive yes,but u get what u pay for and higher mg are needed ed compared to dbol.
AS for Tribulis its a ok over the counter product,but cant be compared to hcg or hmg to get the boys working quickly!
As for labido Melanotan at high doses works awesome and is cheap product!

ARX

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Originally Posted by TexSon

anyway, i would think tbol is responsible for your sexual disfuntion.

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meant to say "anyway, i wouldn't think tbol is responsible for your sexual dysfuntion.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by juiceman

Ahh sorry if i came off strong saying its not fake. I appreciate the info man, i didnt know you had that info to back it up. Can you pm me about how china mass produces etc etc and all that? Im very interested in the process and what not..........

no, didn't take it that way at all. just explaining my suspicions about a tbol product that might be the source of a libido problem.

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Originally Posted by Arx International

Tbol has been around before BritishDragon ever started..RIP in Dec 2006 BDragon...Jenapharm originally produced it if i remember right...and in 65 was used in clinical test!
In the 80s 10 and 20mg tabs were available...If im not mistaken IP produced it in 79-80 atleast that what the 3member co said it was!
As comparing Tbol to Dbol u get way more Quality Gains from tbol than dbol...I love both products and usually run dbol at 50mg or+ ed and tbol at 100mg+ ed....As for strength and quality LBM without the bloat witch i like with dbol tbol is a quality Product Period! More xpensive yes,but u get what u pay for and higher mg are needed ed compared to dbol.
AS for Tribulis its a ok over the counter product,but cant be compared to hcg or hmg to get the boys working quickly!
As for labido Melanotan at high doses works awesome and is cheap product!

ARX

I kinda remember the history on tbol, but its been awhile since i've read anything meaningful on it. i do remember that east germans tested positive for the compound in the 60's during the olympics and it caused a lot of controversy as well as giving the steroid a lot of attention, which in turn made it popular.

But, from the things i've read, i've never considered tbol a powerhouse steroid, but then neither is boldenone, but like boldenone, it has its uses, and fans. (i am a HUGE fan of equipoise). But without the ability to aromotize, i can see where the gains tbol produce, like tren, are qaulity, dry gains that dont go away once you stop the cycle. Unlike dbol, which (and i know i will get flamed for this, but f'k it), to me, is a swelling agent due to the water weight gain from its high estrogen conversion rate. again, i dont do orals, but to many of my dbol loving friends deflate like a fat girls air mattress once they stop the cycle.

incidently, in case anyone is wondering - started shying away from orals because I am extremely protective of my liver. besides, i swell up just fine on tren, cypionate and boldenone.

Tweetoh yeah, forgot to add....

tbol was made popular during the 60's, from what i remember reading, and stayed that way a while, but at some point the luster kinda faded on the tbol honeymoon its use, and availability, significantly fell off - even though it was still manufactered. i do remember several articles regarding british dragon making it popular again.

miss BD.

they were alright.