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Originally Posted by ZOOT

In my experience..no, for me nothing beats tren for mass and strength but the sides can be horrendous. Deca can leave me bloated, but I've learned over the years what dose and stack will do the trick to not be to bloated. It's all trial and error for one's own body. Others may have a whole diff outlook, but tren is a monster, decca is his little brother...lol

For sure tren is way more powerful. But Deca depending on if you don't mind the bloat is good at high and low doses for just joint relief. I love deca test dbol. so much mass.