TweetExactly like you said he made his living fighting nobodys on the street. If you put him up against any real fighter they would demolish him.

TweetIf you guys think its just luck and stuff how come your not in the octagon

TweetI wish Ken would have beaten him down though......

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Originally Posted by yseleman

If you guys think its just luck and stuff how come your not in the octagon

i started training in my late 30s. i am way too far past my prime to be competitive, not enough time to train, and i am not athletic enough. i do hope to compete this spring in my first amateur fight if i can get back to training properly.

that dosnt mean i dont have some of the skills as some pro fighters. it is consistant execution of those skills that make a good fighter. dedecation and genetics.

TweetJipped Genes>>>> No hard feelings man. I am just stating my opinion as well. Trust me, I don't take any of this to heart. my reasoning is this...Kimbo didn't get hit on the button. He got hit in the eye and that is what dropped him. Now many people consider the button to be the chin as I do. unless you consider anything that dazes an opponent the button, then you are mistaken about that punch. Seth's punch caught him right in the left eye and while it may not have had alot on it, it rocked Kimbo's head back hard enough to daze him. The shots after Kimbo was on the ground is what actually KO'd him. A punch doesn't have to have alot on it to daze a guy. Everyone is different and can take a different amount of force, evidentally Kimbo can't take that much.

Rashad's may have had a good game plan and a good coach, but when you throw a punch and you are looking at the ground as you throw and you are "hoping" that it lands, and then you see that you have KO'd your opponent....I find that to be much closer to luck than any punch Seth threw.

TweetAnd as far as the hit to the back of the head....that is just an excuse for Kimbo. The punch that supposedly het Kimbo in the back of the head, barely even grazed him. I mean hell, Seth missed the first 6 or 7 shots that he threw at Kimbo as he was on the ground.

And I think Seth was more surprised that he actually took advantage of his opportunity and excited about the chance to finish Kimbo than he was about the punch. I mean Seth is a very average MMA fighter at best.

Tweet[QUOTE=tn94z;864739]And as far as the hit to the back of the head....that is just an excuse for Kimbo. The punch that supposedly het Kimbo in the back of the head, barely even grazed him. QUOTE]

i wasnt refering to any punches to kimbo's head just the fact that when your in the heat of combat, at least for me you just throw the punch and hope it lands in a general vicinity. even at the pro level there are very few guys gifted enough to pinpoint shots.

as for him being a glassjaw. james thompson is a 265# fighter that has had KOs in about 65% of his wins vs other HWs. he hits really hard and caught kimbo several times even a few on the chin. he never KOd him.

this little light punch dazing kimbo is why i call it lucky. it wasnt skill that dazed him it was a culmination of events when the punch was thrown that caused it to land just right for the effect to be so great.

the delivery skill of the punch is not in question just the effect IMO is lucky.

hence the term "punchers chance"

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i wasnt refering to any punches to kimbo's head just the fact that when your in the heat of combat, at least for me you just throw the punch and hope it lands in a general vicinity. even at the pro level there are very few guys gifted enough to pinpoint shots

So basically you are saying that the majority of pro athletes that throw punches are lucky every time the shot they throw lands in the spot they intended for it to? Kimbo's fight with Thompson SHOULD have been stopped. The only reason Kimbo didn't go down was because Thompson's uppercuts were keeping him standing. He was in the exact same shape in that fight and the ref should have stopped it. As soon as Kimbo, hit Thompson 3 times after that exchange the fight was stopped. I am sure that the ref was "told" how to handle that situation.


You can't go by the Thopmson fight on Kimbo's jaw. I mean how can you explain the shots that Chuck Liddell took the first time him and Rampage fought in Pride, and the the shots that have been knocking him out lately? He took MANY MANY hard shots on the button in their firts meeting and now it seems he gets KOd all of time by shots that don't have near as much on them?

Judging by your argument of "it wasnt skill that dazed him it was a culmination of events when the punch was thrown that caused it to land just right for the effect to be so great", you are basically discrediting the majority of KO's in all combat sports.

I watched a special on fight science about MMA fighters. They were measuring the force of strikes. I watched Tito throw a left hook, that by eye didn't look to have much on it at all, but by measurement was one of the most lethal (force wise) strikes in MMA. He chooses to hit in the side of the head rather than try for the chin because it throws off your equilibrium to a point of non-function. This is basically the same thing I saw from Seth. The same held true for Bas Ruten on the show but his strike had much more force while looking like it didn't have much on it. I think it is not luck at all. I just think the fighters know exactly where to hit other than the traditional "button" to obtain the same results. Still not convinced there was luck involved.