TweetDidn't inject anything Gil? I guess there was test base in your protein?

Tweetif he failed his epitest to test ration yeah he is screwed to the max. if he just had elevated test levels then he may have a leg to stand on in defense. what they do with these types of testing to catch you cheating is for one they have a test to epitest ratio. now you can have an elevated test level but as long as their is not much of an elevation in epi you are good and it could come from supps or whatever even your own body. now when that epi test level raises it is a key indicator that exergenous test is being put into the body. their is no way around this test because it is going to elevate because of the addition of outside test and you are screwed. when you natural levels rise and fall or say you put in something that get's your body to bump your test up a bit it will not raise the epi. i will see if i can drag up the article from someone that was killer at beating them haha. it wasnt victor conte either but another dude in the same field of cheating

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Originally Posted by guns01

if he failed his epitest to test ration yeah he is screwed to the max. if he just had elevated test levels then he may have a leg to stand on in defense. what they do with these types of testing to catch you cheating is for one they have a test to epitest ratio. now you can have an elevated test level but as long as their is not much of an elevation in epi you are good and it could come from supps or whatever even your own body. now when that epi test level raises it is a key indicator that exergenous test is being put into the body. their is no way around this test because it is going to elevate because of the addition of outside test and you are screwed. when you natural levels rise and fall or say you put in something that get's your body to bump your test up a bit it will not raise the epi. i will see if i can drag up the article from someone that was killer at beating them haha. it wasnt victor conte either but another dude in the same field of cheating

He must have failed the carbon isotope test because he failed for exogenous test metabolite. Your levels can be perfect but that test knows it ain't yours.

TweetThey are doing high level tests now. Year round, out of comp, pre, post fight and random. I think the carbon isotope test is big $$. I am a firm believer that EPO is the real killer. That shit gives you super human cardio. I would rather have that than anything else in a fight, skillset aside.

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Originally Posted by whitetail

They are doing high level tests now. Year round, out of comp, pre, post fight and random. I think the carbon isotope test is big $$. I am a firm believer that EPO is the real killer. That shit gives you super human cardio. I would rather have that than anything else in a fight, skillset aside.

they can test and bust them for that as well. that's why all the cyclists moved on to blood doping, then they started nailing them for that lol. if you want to get ahead at cheating you need to hire a cyclist or one of their coaches. epo is some very very bad news though and can kill you with a quickness if you dick that bad boy up.

TweetYup, I am just tired of fighters blaming it on supps, I just don't get how they expect people to believe there happened to be, stanzonol, methosterone(masteron) , or exo test in their "energy drinks" or protein powders..lol

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Originally Posted by whitetail

Yup, I am just tired of fighters blaming it on supps, I just don't get how they expect people to believe there happened to be, stanzonol, methosterone(masteron) , or exo test in their "energy drinks" or protein powders..lol

those freaking idiots couldnt beat that test to epi test method either. you literally have to put test and only test for it to elevate the epi. you cant orally take test except with undcout and that stuff is so freaking weak it is pretty much worthless. so blaming something that has to be injected on supps or anything other than putting a needle in somewhere is not only ignorant but makes you look like a fool. game over on the test defense. as for the others if you are getting it with your supps then lead me to them cause i want some haha

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Originally Posted by guns01

those freaking idiots couldnt beat that test to epi test method either. you literally have to put test and only test for it to elevate the epi. you cant orally take test except with undcout and that stuff is so freaking weak it is pretty much worthless. so blaming something that has to be injected on supps or anything other than putting a needle in somewhere is not only ignorant but makes you look like a fool. game over on the test defense. as for the others if you are getting it with your supps then lead me to them cause i want some haha

Exactly! They would be suing the pants off some supp company if that were the case.

TweetSo many guys since this new testing was implemented have failed or not looked themselves. You cant do it anymore without taking a big risk. Wait til the 3 year suspensions start.

TweetEven when it was easy to cheat people don't get it that just because you cycled one way a few times and beat it doesn't mean it will work every time. You so much as catch a cold it can effect the way your body detoxs the metabolites.

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Originally Posted by whitetail

So many guys since this new testing was implemented have failed or not looked themselves. You cant do it anymore without taking a big risk. Wait til the 3 year suspensions start.

its going to change the whole face of fighting especially for the older guys. that is until the learn how to beat them like the cyclists and olympians do. sad thing is it is going to kill the sport off eventually just like baseball

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its going to change the whole face of fighting especially for the older guys. that is until the learn how to beat them like the cyclists and olympians do. sad thing is it is going to kill the sport off eventually just like baseball

Fighting has a chance, even clean guys can put on great fights without peds,... I think?, ha
These guys train like freaken cave men, recovering is next to impossible without hormone augmentation. training camp techniques are going to have to change.

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Originally Posted by whitetail

Fighting has a chance, even clean guys can put on great fights without peds,... I think?, ha
These guys train like freaken cave men, recovering is next to impossible without hormone augmentation. training camp techniques are going to have to change.

that is true and supps and proper nutrition as well as recovery techniques have came a long way. but on the other hand a lot of these guys cant afford those additional costs when they are coming up. idk man, i like seeing the monsters beating the crap out of each other and not dropping out of fights due to injuries or gassing out early on in the fights making them boring