TweetCould you be a little more specific--what kinds[chemical names] did u have trouble with??
TweetLooking for input about pro and cons of prohormones-anyone had any success or failures with them-side effects, etc???
TweetCould you be a little more specific--what kinds[chemical names] did u have trouble with??
TweetIve done two 1t/4ad cycles. Both 4 week cycles, the first cycle i put on 19lbs, and the second i did 17lbs... yeah , prohormones suck.
TweetOriginally posted by saturn
I tried 1test and 4ad the 4ad gave me water bloat like I would expect from deca along with a raise in bp. I can tell you 1test/4ad did not yeild near the gains of say test/deca. And the sides were nearly the same.
What was your diet like? Wha twas your training like? How did you sleep? For how long were you in a hypercaloric state? How many calories over your basal metabolic rate did you eat? If you cant gain from 1-test & 4-ad id merely your own ignorance, nothing to do with the product.
Ps. 1-test isnt a pro hormone, its a steriod.
TweetI'm talking about pro hormones, in particular 19 norandrosterdion and 4 androsterdiol [might have spelled em wrong] in a stack that includes other items to counter side effects-I can't find much negative literature on this combo-ie. Schwartz Labs Anabolic Power Stack and Pro Lab Androbolic.
TweetOriginally posted by saturn
I have no problems gaining bro...I did make gains with the 1t/4ad but not the gains I make with test/deca. The sides were very simmilar the gains wern't as much and it cost much more than I can get test/deca for. I know you are a supporter of PH and they have their place. For me I will stay with AAS because they are more cost effective and yeild better gains.
Well you're not that intelligent for comparing 1-test and 4-ad to illicit drugs, no one here's saying 1-test is better than test and 4-ad is better than Deca, so thats a very moot point.
Cost effective? $70 for a complete 8 week stack of a very potent 1-test/4-ad topical stack? You can lie and tell me you can get 2 vials of test and 2 vials of deca fro under $70, but no one believes that. Im interested in what product you used?
TweetI dont think I have to know you to form an accurate opinion....Originally posted by saturn
YelloJacket I have no interest in getting in an argument with you. I did One+ 4 bottles with the max dosages. I don't remember the exact cost but it wasn't cheap. I know I could have made my own transdermal but have no interest in doing that.
Please don't make a statement like You're not that intelligent when you don't even know me.
A question was asked and I stated my opinion.
So whats the max dose? Do you remember? Why 4 bottles? Christ, no wonder i was expensive..... how long of a cycle was it? What post cycle supplements/meds did you come off with? What was your dietary recall like?
TweetIn thru the nose, out thru the mouth, twice-slowly......Now, how about some answers to my questions??
TweetOriginally posted by Kayak Jones
In thru the nose, out thru the mouth, twice-slowly......Now, how about some answers to my questions??
How about using the search function instead?
The 3 companies you named are lackluster companies to say the least.
TweetBeen there done that. Thats why I thought I might ask some of bros on this forum.
TweetOnce again, REALLY slow.... 1-test is not a pro hormone. Until you can answer the questions above, you're opinion isnt relevant.Originally posted by saturn
I never said they didn't work or that I didn't make gains. I just stated for the money, side effects and my goals Ph's were not as effective as I would like them to be. If they were as effective as some make them out to be I would guess that there wouldn't be many people on this board discussing ASA but would be talking about Pro Hormones.
Like I said I have no interest in arguing with you I stated my opinion you can state yours. There was a question asked by Kayak Jones lets please get back to the topic at hand and put your energy into answering his question rather than arguing about a difference in opinion.
Can you explain to me, physiologically, why there are more side effects with pro hormones, as opposed to anabolic-androgenic steriods? (good luck).
This is too easy.
TweetThe three companies you have mentioned all have pretty bad reputations in regards to quality products. A 19Nor, 4-AD stack will be one of little sides and lean gains. IF you can find this in a topical form, consider yourself lucky and jump on it, if sold by a reputable company. I am not aware of any company who makes a transdermal 19nor/4-ad compound, so making your own is an option. The bioavalibility of oral 19nor and 4-ad is no where near that of topicals. Best of luck none the less.Originally posted by Kayak Jones
I'm talking about pro hormones, in particular 19 norandrosterdion and 4 androsterdiol [might have spelled em wrong] in a stack that includes other items to counter side effects-I can't find much negative literature on this combo-ie. Schwartz Labs Anabolic Power Stack and Pro Lab Androbolic.
TweetBoy , I really stirred up some shit for a new guy huh?!! Yee ha, let the games begin***PS I only mentioned 2 companies........
Strength and Honor
TweetPs. they both suck.Originally posted by Kayak Jones
Boy , I really stirred up some shit for a new guy huh?!! Yee ha, let the games begin***PS I only mentioned 2 companies........
Strength and Honor
Tweetthat being said, what would you suggest? what companies that is?Originally posted by YellowJacket
Ps. they both suck.