AM dbol

[BullFX]

TweetDo u take it right when u wake up ... or do u have to take it at the same time every day??? ... like do i wana take it 8 am every day ??? what if some days i wake up at 1pm ???

[##spiderbaby##]

TweetFor a 10mg Dbol bridge you need to take it right in the AM, basicly it fools the body into thinking it is a normal spike. Come on now, its just a little tab how long can it take to wake up and pop it...

[Josh]

TweetYOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY - SET AN ALARM!!! jk
no bro youll be alright if you take it at a different time on somedays

[BigD]

TweetMust be early in the am every time. That's when your bodies natural test spike is, which is what you're trying to "piggy-back" the dbol spike on top of, fooling the body into thinking it's own levels are doing the job. If you take it at 1pm, that's well after your normal spike should have subsided, which will lead to continued suppression. I would just wake up and take it at 7 or 8am, then go back to sleep... that's what I've done in the past!

[pigmeat]

Tweetyeah i was going to do this but i switch shifts every week!(days,mids,aft,days,mids,aft,so on so on) I dont think it would work for me as my body is confused enough with these crazy scheduels.
Does it realy matter if it is early AM or is upon rising from sleep? I mean if you wake up at noon every day do you think your body knows diff?

[THE JUICE]

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Originally posted by BullFX
Do u take it right when u wake up ... or do u have to take it at the same time every day??? ... like do i wana take it 8 am every day ??? what if some days i wake up at 1pm ???

Just take it in the mornings bro. Set your alarm at a certain time each day and take it.

[BigD]

TweetWell, if you change shifts a lot, and therefore your sleeping patterns, that can throw off your circadian rythyms pretty badly. In that case, you won't recover well anyway, as your body's test spike won't be at the normal time, and you can't piggy-back the dbol on it. But if you can get up every morning at 8am and take it, that's best... your body is still "set" to spike it's test level early in the morning, that's why we get morning wood

[Juice Authority]

Tweet10mg's every 3-6 hours until you hit the target number, which for me is 40mg's.

[Mike P.T.]

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Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
are you using it as a bridge? if so, then yes, 10mg as soon as you wake up.

Exactly.

Guys it has nothing to do with what time you wake up but WHEN you wake up is when you should take it. Waking up to take it and going back to sleep defeats the purpose since leutinizing hormone is secreted during sleep.

[iamdwalrus]

TweetMy friend Ivan Drago has an interesting way of using dbol post cycle. He said that taking 2.5 mg in the a.m. and same at night will lead to less suppresion of the HPTA. The morning burst doesn't happen to most adult men, only in teenagers. This was posted by Nandi at another board. And taken from Ulter's board.
https://www.endotext.org/male/male5/male5.htm

It shows the typical pattern of LH pulses.

[pigmeat]

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Originally posted by Mike P.T.
Exactly.

Guys it has nothing to do with what time you wake up but WHEN you wake up is when you should take it. Waking up to take it and going back to sleep defeats the purpose since leutinizing hormone is secreted during sleep.

thats what i was thinking.It doesnt make sense to take and go back to sleep.Your body cant tell time. It can tell however when you have arisin from a nights( or days) sleep,therefore spiking test. When i work on midnight shift i dont get morning wood in early morning while at work, i get it at 9 or 10 pm when i wake up!

[Juicemonkey101]

TweetI did it for the past week and i just did it right when i woke up. Some days 7am and some days at like 12pm. It all worked out good for me

[Billy_Bathgate]

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Originally posted by Juice Authority
10mg's every 3-6 hours until you hit the target number, which for me is 40mg's.

LOL did you just wake up?

[The REAL Bobo]

TweetWell I guess this is the orignal theory behind bridging


this was posted by Fonz at EF. I thought it was a good read.

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Ive been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Heres the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabols choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dballs short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

Hes in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dbols anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, heres the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dbol.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dbols anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. Itll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you e going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dbol it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
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Mods what are your views on this???

[The REAL Bobo]

TweetA calculated response by Big Cat. Bridging is a myth.

Re: A interesting "Dbol as bridge" post

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Originally posted by ironman350
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
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That sort of keeps us from bridging doesn't it ? Good way to start the post, if people remember anything from this I hope its that phrase.


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The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
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Perhaps he needs to brush up on his pharmacokinetics, as methandienone is actually one of the poorest androgens among common AAS.


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When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
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Wrong, endocrinology, first year. Levels of LH peak in the early hours of sleep.


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When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.
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With the combined peak elevation of cholesterol in early morning and being 8 hours removed from your last meal will do that to you. No surprise there. Wish to solve this ? Eat ...


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Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
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Exactly, low inulin and high cortisol will work catabolic, hence the reasoning for doing your cardio in the morning, since you are already in fatburning mode.


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The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
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First of all methandienone is its own steroid and has little to do with testosterone. Its closest endogenous metabolite is boldenone. And it does neither coincide nor support endogenous release thereof either. I'd like to know where this guy is getting this from.


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The body will be partially fooled.
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Well HIS body anyway, if its as dumb as the rest of him ...


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It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
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Someone please explain this fool the lengthy receptor times of 17AA steroids and the fact that the increase in 17-alpha-methylestradiol will DEFINITELY shut down endogenous test in a short amount of time.


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Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dbols anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
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I hope for his sake he wasn't dumb enough to take his own advice ...


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HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
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Actually endogenous production will not be allowed to be restored til a shortage of sex steroids is noted, androgenic and estrogenic. Since a single tab of Dbol already exceeds that by a factor of 3 or 4, there is a MAJOR flaw in this theory.


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5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
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Dianabol does not create a rise in testosterone ...


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more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
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So you are coming of a cycle, levels of androgens drop and your endogenous levels of androgens decline, causing a rebound of estrogen. Instead of coming of properly, supressing that estrogen, you are adding a metabolite that has been shown to be more estrogenic than androgenic, in a dose that is too small to cause any anabolic action, yet high enough to FURTHER supress your natural levels of test.


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The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
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Actually its the difference between not allowing LH to recover and not allowing LH to recover.

I'm not going to comment anymore, I'm getting enraged and I feel dumber for acknowledging this by reading and responding ...