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      Heres a decent article I found regarding the science behind the ECA stack
      ECA Supplement Stack For Muscle Growth and Fat Loss
      by Stimulating the ß-Agonist System - The Role of Ephedrine,
      Caffeine, and Aspirin
      By Michael C. Prevost Ph.D.

      The role of the ß-agonist (beta agonist) pathway in controlling
      the body's fat stores, muscle hypertrophy (growth), the body's
      response to exercise and even muscle fiber type has been
      brought to light in the last 10 years through the efforts of
      hundreds of scientists with literally thousands of papers
      being published on the subject. Clearly, the ß-agonist pathway
      is one of the most important signalling pathways in the body.
      To understand how the ß-agonist pathway works and what role
      Caffeine, Ephedrine and Aspirin plays in the system one must
      first understand what a ß-agonist is and what they do.

      On the surfaces of many of the cells of the body (for our
      purposes the most important tissues are muscle and fat cells)
      are located b receptors. These b receptors bind b-agonists
      (adrenaline and noradrenaline). When a ß-agonist is bound
      to a b receptor, the receptor initiates a series of chemical
      reactions that results in the production of a chemical
      messenger called C-AMP. This C-AMP then activates
      enzymes that phosphorylate proteins. Why is thisimportant?
      Well, many of these proteins are enzymes and
      phosphorylation activates some enzymes and de-acitvates
      others. In fat cells enzymes are activated that induce
      lipolysis (fat breakdown). In muscle cells enzymes are
      activated that increase metabolism and cause a host of
      other important reactions which control muscle growth, fiber
      type and enzyme concentration. So, how do ephedrine,
      caffeine and aspirin fit into this pathway? Ephedrine
      enhances ß-agonist production and even acts as a
      ß-agonist itself. Caffeine inhibits the breakdown of C-AMP.
      Aspirin inhibits the negative feedback loop that would
      reduce ß-agonist production. So taken together these
      agents enhance three to four different steps in the ß-agonist
      pathway.

      Ephedrine's role as a lipolytic agent (one that breaks down
      body fat to be used as energy) has been known for some
      time. It has been shown that ephedrine when taken in
      therapeutic doses is mildly effective in the management
      of obesity. The problem was that the initial lipolytic effects
      of ephedrine were soon diminished as other steps in the
      pathway were reduced in a negative feedback cycle. In an
      effort to enhance these steps that were being
      downregulated due to negative feedback, scientists added
      caffeine and aspirin to the regime. The result was a very
      effective combination in the management of obesity
      (dosages given were 20mg ephedrine, 300mg caffeine, and
      80mg aspirin, roughly equivalent to one typical ephedrine
      tablet, a cup of coffee and one aspirin). In fact, not only
      did the results (lipolysis) not decrease over time as with
      most drugs, but they actually increased with time. The
      effects of the combination of ephedrine, caffeine and
      aspirin were categorized into desirable and undesirable
      effects. The desirable effects were lipolysis and protein
      sparing (subjects on the drug combination retained
      more muscle mass while dieting than the subjects on
      placebo). Again, these desirable effects did not diminish
      over time. The undesirable effects, increased heart rate
      and muscle tremors, lasted only a few days and never
      returned. In fact, after 1 year of supplementation subjects
      were experiencing no side effects but were still
      experiencing the desired effects of lipolysis and protein
      sparing. To date it has not been determined if the ephedrine,
      caffeine and aspirin combination can enhance muscle
      growth and fat loss in healthy, exercising adults. However,
      based on what we know about the ß-agonist system, it is
      certainly possible. It is important to note, however, that a
      small handful of subjects among the large subject pool
      had to drop out of the study due to an intolerance to the
      supplementation regime. So it appears that most
      people can use the ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin
      combination with no problems, while a small handful of
      people may be intolerant. A consultation with a
      physician is suggested before beginning this ECA
      supplement regime.

      The ß-agonist pathway may effect processes other than
      muscle sparing and fat loss. In fact in chickens ß-agonists
      were shown to be stronger growth promoting agents than
      steroids (believe it or not but poultry science folks are
      doing a lot of research trying to produce more muscular
      chickens since the muscle is the meat that we eat). In fact
      ß-agonists seem to produce muscle growth without the
      stimulus of exercise, something steroids have failed to
      do. However ß-agonists are not as effective in rats and
      the effects on humans is unknown. The ß-agonist
      clenbuterol can cause slow twitch muscle fibers to
      be converted to fast twitch fibers. It can also prevent
      muscle atrophy due to disuse. Other studies have shown
      that b-antagonists (agents that block b-receptors and
      prevent them from functioning) cause muscles to shift
      from fast twitch to slow twitch and cause muscle atrophy
      (muscle wasting or breakdown). These studies indicate
      that ß-agonists might play an important role in the
      maintenance of fast twitch muscle fibers and in maintaining
      and perhaps increasing muscle mass. It may be no
      coincidence then that large amounts of ß-agonists
      (adrenaline and noradrenaline) are produced during
      high intensity training sessions. Perhaps these
      ß-agonists are necessary in initiating the muscle growth
      stimulus.

      It is important to note that some ß-agonists can be
      dangerous (for example clenbuterol and cocaine) and
      illegal and these substances are not recommended. Also,
      as mentioned earlier, although the ß-agonist combination
      of caffeine, ephedrine and aspirin appears to be safe (and of
      course legal) a small number of people are intolerant and
      consultation with a physician is suggested. Everyone
      should visit there doctor prior to using any of these
      substances for a clean bill of health.

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      Good read Kets,thank you.

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      YEAH THERES ALOT TO THIS STUFF THAT PEOPLE DONT THINK ABOUT- BUT THEN AGAIN YOU ARE A STUDENT OF KNOWLEDGE LIKE MYSELF AND KNOW THIS

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