SOCIAL WORKERS

[ketsugo]

TweetMan I just came from a training at my office. Yes I am a LICSW but if any of you have paid any mind to my past posts here, I do have some level of military and security experience. You'd think that the administration in my clinic would consult me when developing a new policy regarding self preservation? This is the training in our new JAICHO Policy- If an armed individual presents himself and behaves in a violent manner - someone will speak over the intercom ,"Mr Do-RIght to the lobby" upon hearing thin all employees are remanded to lock themselves into the 7' x 10' HIPPA Room with any client you could be with or hide under your desk. So yes if someone is going postal shooting up the building lets crowd ourselves in a room together or hide under our desks as they will be LOCKING us in the building. WOW Never in my life have I heard such ignorance and stupidity. This is what happens when you work with a bunch of 800 pound nasty ugly female social workers that get offended when you refuse to stuff you face with cake and cookies 24/7............................

[Dzone]

TweetWow, man, thats crazy...

[GotClen]

TweetThats funny,
So, what did you say after you heard the policy of Mr Do Right? Other then say to yourself WTF?
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[O2BESOHUGE]

TweetI HOPE YOU'RE PACKIN WHEN THAT HAPPENS!

[Dzone]

TweetJust the fact that they are planning for such an event is creepy. WTF kind of world do we live in?

[hardpr]

Tweetso they want you to lie down and play dead.lol not really funny im just saying.

[daved150]

Tweetthe "PLAY POSSUM PROTECTION PLAN"!! i like it!! i've used this many times...you wouldnt believe how well this works for jehovah witnesses, process servers, repo guys, and other bullies i've encountered!!! just drop and curl up in a ball in another room!! works everytime!!!

[hardpr]

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the "PLAY POSSUM PROTECTION PLAN"!! i like it!! i've used this many times...you wouldnt believe how well this works for jehovah witnesses, process servers, repo guys, and other bullies i've encountered!!! just drop and curl up in a ball in another room!! works everytime!!!

ok this ive tried. lmao good one

[ketsugo]

TweetWell of course I had to exert my experience and considering I used to be the area trainer for dealing with violence. My thing is we have probably 7 exits on every floor - there is no reason that anyone will not be able to utilize an exit. My advice was to use the nearest exit , only hide in the room as a last resort. If someone comes with the intent to kill everyone there - the people that cramm themselves into a tiney room would simply be sitting ducks

[Dzone]

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the "PLAY POSSUM PROTECTION PLAN"!! i like it!! i've used this many times...you wouldnt believe how well this works for jehovah witnesses, process servers, repo guys, and other bullies i've encountered!!! just drop and curl up in a ball in another room!! works everytime!!!

LMAO hhahahaha..thats fockin funny man

[ketsugo]

TweetTHIS CAME FROM A SITE WITH SPECIALISTS , PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WOULD RECOMMEND THIS WHICH IS WHAT I GUESS I NEED TO DO LOL:

If you are inside with an active shooter, get outside NOW!!! A whole lot of people who get killed in school shootings, workplace shootings and spree shootings die because they crouch down behind something and the shooter walks right up to them. They don't see him coming because the same thing that hides them from his sight, blocks him from theirs. Don't hide behind doors or in closets. Head for the exit. If you have to throw a chair through a window to make an exit, DO IT! Getting into another room will give you time to open an escape route.
The other thing to do when exiting an indoor shooting situation is DON'T STOP! Keep going. Not only does this lessen the chances of you getting shot by the original shooter, but it makes the decision of who the first responders are going to shoot much easier. And that includes keeping you from being accidentally shot by the responders.
As a side note, many schools and organizations have some short-sighted policies in this regard. People are commonly told to exit the building and wait outside. The reasoning for this policy is the concern that if you run, they won't know if you're safe or not.
Our attitude is: That's what cell phones are for. Once you are out of there, CALL YOUR LOVED ONES and tell them you are alright. If you don't do this, then your loved ones will be calling -- or worse -- rushing to the site to see if you are safe.
People milling around a shooting scene or waiting for instructions from management, administration or teachers not only increases the difficulties for first responders, but also leaves you in danger from the shooter. If you can escape through a window, he can shoot out of one too. So forget any policy that -- while convenient for the school/organization increases your danger.
Add to this that employers, teachers, ministers and most other authority figures probably don't have much experience getting shot at either. So they're just as likely to be as freaked out as you are. While getting shot because you made a bad decision sucks, getting shot because someone else made a bad decision really sucks. (We'll return to this idea in the shooting back section).
If you are outside, get inside. But more than that, don't just run into a building and then stop and watch what is going on (we call this Prairie Dogging). Enter a building and keep going out the other entrance. This not only gets you out of the pie slice, out of view of the shooter, but a building makes pretty good cover.
If you are outside in a wide open space (where there is no cover or concealment) RUN! Put as much distance between you and the shooter as possible. Remember what we said about distance from the shooter to the target? Make the distance as great as possible.
Often you will find yourself in an outdoor situation that is a blend between open space and offering cover. In these situations your best bet is to utilize cover and concealment AND buying distance. You don't just duck and cower behind a car. You put the car between you and the shooter and run using the car to cover your escape.
I'm also a big fan of making yourself a smaller target by hunching over as you run(2).
But perhaps the most important thing is knowing what NOT to do. Do NOT Prairie Dog! When someone is shooting do not stand there like a prairie dog and look to see what is happening. The sound of repeating gunfire tells you everything you need to know. Not only does this make you a stationary target, but by standing, you put yourself on the same eye level as the shooter. That means HE is more likely to see YOU!
In NO case do I recommend just ducking down behind either cover or concealment and trying to hide. As so many kids in Columbine, Virginia Tech and other spree shootings have discovered, the shooter can just walk up to you then shoot you. No matter how much you beg and plead. The answer is almost always: Get out, get out, get out(3).
The third set of consideration is: Is this person just pissed at you or is he really trying to kill you?
The reason is that the pissed off person might fire a round or two at you before turning and running off or stopping shooting. But that is usually because he's achieved his goal of changing your behavior or venting his displeasure. Often if the guy wants you dead, but not at any expense to himself, if his first attempt to get you fail, he won't chase you and he will limit the number of shots he takes.
For example, he's willing to shoot you with no witnesses around. BUT while he wants you dead, he doesn't want to be seen chasing you down the street. The reason being because of the danger of prison.
Another version is that while he's willing to kill you, he doesn't want you dead bad enough that he is going to risk you retaliating or someone else doing so. You will see this behavior quite often in drive by shootings. Where as long as they are the only ones shooting they will fire, but when return fire occurs they drive away. This incidentally was what happened during my last firefight. When I started shooting back, he decided he didn't want to play anymore.
On the other hand, if the guy is committed to killing you, then odds are he will continue to try to get you back onto that pie slice and close enough that he can pump multiple rounds into you. This is where those six results of someone really trying to kill you will manifest.
As an aside, speaking to an ER doctor he confirmed the common numbers given about gunshot survival rates. If you get to an ER room within two hours of a single gunshot wound, you have about an 80% chance of survival. Your chances are drastically reduced with every extra bullet you take. This is why getting out of there IS your best strategy. You can still run with one bullet in you. But if you don't run and are shot multiple times at point blank range, your odds are not that good. So let's review, I'm a big advocate of getting off the pie slice ASAP and putting something in between you and the shooter as you're doing it. Running works, having a car between you and a shooter AS you're running works better. Ducking off the street and into a building works. Running through the building and out the other door works better. Inside a building and someone starts shooting, get out