Mir: "Carwin is more dangerous than Brock"

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After splitting a pair of bouts with UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar, former title holder Frank Mir has made little effort to hide his current motivation.

As such, some have labeled Mir a "stalker" because of his singular focus on a rubber match with the champ.

Nevertheless, Mir carries on in search of facing Lesnar once again. But standing in his way at UFC 111 is undefeated challenger Shane Carwin, who Mir says may actually be a tougher opponent.

"I think he's very similar to Brock Lesnar," Mir told MMAjunkie.com (UFC blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps | MMAjunkie.com). "He's somebody that's strong, and he's a good wrestler. But I think that Carwin, in a lot of ways, is actually more dangerous for me."

The similarities between Carwin and Lesnar are evident with just a cursory glance. The two massive wrestlers have changed the face of the heavyweight division in short order with their powerful builds and overwhelming strength.

But Mir believes Carwin possesses something extra.

"Brock and Carwin are both better wrestlers than I am," Mir said. "Most likely, they'll both be able to take me down. Most likely, they'll both be able to win the fight if I get stuck against the cage on my back with my head jammed up. But with that being said, with Lesnar, on my feet, I have no real anxiety about standing there and boxing. He's knocked people over because he clubs people with his hands, but he's not really a knockout artist. Carwin has actually knocked people out.

"In a fight with Lesnar, the goal is to keep it on the feet, and I'll win the fight. With Carwin, if I say just keep it on my feet and I fall asleep on him while looking for the shot, I can easily go to sleep if I get caught. He's shown the ability to knock people out. To me, he's a dual threat."

With the interim title on the line in the March 27 matchup, an eventual shot at the champ hangs in the balance. But UFC president Dana White has said that a fight between the winner and Lesnar isn't a guarantee.

Top contender Cain Velasquez, who turned in an impressive performance against MMA legend Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira in February, could leapfrog the newly crowned interim champ if injuries prove a factor.

Mir once again stated his desire to face Lesnar but also said he would understand if he was forced to wait.

"The competitor in me wants to face Lesnar as soon as possible and be the first one in line," Mir said. "As far as if it worked out, I don't feel like holding the heavyweight division hostage. If after, if I'm victorious on March 27, and I had an injury that didn't allow me to fight, and Brock wants to take a risk to fight Cain first before he fights me, more power to him."

Mir admits he views Velasquez as a credible threat. In fact, he thinks Lesnar might feel the same way and should probably avoid that particular confrontation.

"I think [Velasquez] is a dangerous fight for [Lesnar]," Mir said. "I would be willing to bet that maybe he would be more comfortable waiting for me."

As much as I like Mir, I really wish he would just kill the interviews until after the fights. It was kind of funny at first, but now it is just getting old.

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TweetWell you know i'm tired of mirs shit. Sure will be funny if he gets to fight brock again and loses because he talks to much crap.

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TweetI see what he is saying here though. He admits that if either guy gets him pinned then they will beat him. And Carwin has shown that he has KO power where Brock hasn't KO'd anyone. He has the fights to back this up. I am just ready to see the fight happen.

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TweetTHE ONLY REASON YOU THINK CARWIN HAS MORE KO POWER IS BECAUSE HE HAS MORE FIGHT RIGHT, THEN BROCK. BUT DONT YOU THINK BROCK HAS KO POWER,MIR,RANDY BOTH GOT FUK'D UP BY BROCK

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THE ONLY REASON YOU THINK CARWIN HAS MORE KO POWER IS BECAUSE HE HAS MORE FIGHT RIGHT, THEN BROCK. BUT DONT YOU THINK BROCK HAS KO POWER,MIR,RANDY BOTH GOT FUK'D UP BY BROCK

I am saying this because Carwin has "actually" KO'd people. Brock has yet to KO anyone. Not a TKO....a KO, totally different things

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I am saying this because Carwin has "actually" KO'd people. Brock has yet to KO anyone. Not a TKO....a KO, totally different things

I agree with you 100%. I am a Brock fan but he does not seem to have knock out power. Perhaps his fists are too soft, or maybe he just never hits the sweet spot. Of course, Brock is powerful but facts are facts and he has never knocked anyone out.

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TweetThats because he hasnt have to yet.Brock likes to get on top and take you down and punch the shit out of ya. He just hasnt landed a clean shot yet thats all. carwins 11 fights he has 2 ko's thats it 4 tko's and the rest submissions.It took carwin 9 fights to get a KO. So the begining of carwins fighting career he didnt have any either so the same could be said about him

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Thats because he hasnt have to yet.Brock likes to get on top and take you down and punch the shit out of ya. He just hasnt landed a clean shot yet thats all. carwins 11 fights he has 2 ko's thats it 4 tko's and the rest submissions.It took carwin 9 fights to get a KO. So the begining of carwins fighting career he didnt have any either so the same could be said about him

He has landed clean shots, are you kidding me? He landed them on Mir and Herring. Hell, he broke Herring's orbital bone....was that not clean? I am just saying, in the UFC, he has yet to KO anyone even with clean shots. Carwin has. You can't say "well, it took Carwin 9 fights to get a KO" as an argument, because you have no idea how many fights it will take Brock to get one. It may take him 30 fights or he may get one in his next fight. But you do bring up a good point about his submissions! Now he has submission victories and KOs and he has good wrestling. That really makes him seem more dangerous than Brock.

Another thing...Carwin hasn't had a fight last over 2:11 and that was his first fight!! Other than Brock's first fight....he hasn't won any fights in the first round.

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TweetThis isnt about who won fights in the first round in under 2 minutes or who has submission skills you said brock hasnt ko anyone in 5 fights and I said it took carwin 9 fights to get a ko so thers no argument there . You must really think brock hs no power and thats a joke. And have you looked up who carwin has fought ,here s a guy Sherman Pendergarst 11 wins 17 loses and has lost his last 9 fights so if you think shane had a good fighter to fight thats a joke because this guy sucks big time or Christian Wellisch who lost his last 2. and the first 7 guys shane fought I cant seem to find them fighting anymore. the only good oppnts shane has fought are the last few. Go check for your self, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Carwin Shane hs fought 4 ufc fighters and brock has fought 4 ufc fighters. Oh and so he broke herrings orbital bone theres power but didnt hit dead on to ko him thats all. Again if someone thinks brock doesnt have power thats a joke

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This isnt about who won fights in the first round in under 2 minutes or who has submission skills you said brock hasnt ko anyone in 5 fights and I said it took carwin 9 fights to get a ko so thers no argument there . You must really think brock hs no power and thats a joke. And have you looked up who carwin has fought ,here s a guy Sherman Pendergarst 11 wins 17 loses and has lost his last 9 fights so if you think shane had a good fighter to fight thats a joke because this guy sucks big time or Christian Wellisch who lost his last 2. and the first 7 guys shane fought I cant seem to find them fighting anymore. the only good oppnts shane has fought are the last few. Go check for your self, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Carwin Shane hs fought 4 ufc fighters and brock has fought 4 ufc fighters. Oh and so he broke herrings orbital bone theres power but didnt hit dead on to ko him thats all. Again if someone thinks brock doesnt have power thats a joke

Okay, since we are getting technical. Which guy has the most KOs in the UFC? WHo cares about him beating a guy that had lost his last 2 fights? Chuck has lost his last 2, Couture has a few two in a row losses. That has no bearing on Carwin's KO power. Brock's first opponent was 3-10.

So they have both fought 4 UFC fighters...who has the KOs? The orbital bone shot was not the only solid shot man. He beat on Herring for 3 rounds and couldn't KO him and Herring could only see out of one eye.

Bottom line is, when Brock KOs someone, then we have an argument that is backed up by results and not your opinion.

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TweetI am not saying that Brock sucks...some people have it and some don't. It's nothing personal. How many guys has GSP KOd? How many people has Randy KOd? Then you have guys like Chuck and Anderson who can freaking KO people walking backwards. Alot of that is technique but that technique has to be accompanied by some natural KO power as well.

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Okay, since we are getting technical. Which guy has the most KOs in the UFC? WHo cares about him beating a guy that had lost his last 2 fights? Chuck has lost his last 2, Couture has a few two in a row losses. That has no bearing on Carwin's KO power. Brock's first opponent was 3-10.

So they have both fought 4 UFC fighters...who has the KOs? The orbital bone shot was not the only solid shot man. He beat on Herring for 3 rounds and couldn't KO him and Herring could only see out of one eye.

Bottom line is, when Brock KOs someone, then we have an argument that is backed up by results and not your opinion.

Why do you bring in other fighters or who hs the most ko's in the ufc when this is just a carwin brock thread.You brought up carwins ko power and I stated that it took him 9 fighters to ko someone thats it. Then I stated who carwin has fought in the last 9 fights and they werent that good,so if they werent that good and you say carwin has great ko power why didnt he ko them just like you say why didnt brock ko herring.You so make it sound like brock is a nobody and carwin is the shit but carwins first 9 fights werent against that good of oppnts. You must think its all about ko's or tko's when its about winning period

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Why do you bring in other fighters or who hs the most ko's in the ufc when this is just a carwin brock thread.You brought up carwins ko power and I stated that it took him 9 fighters to ko someone thats it. Then I stated who carwin has fought in the last 9 fights and they werent that good,so if they werent that good and you say carwin has great ko power why didnt he ko them just like you say why didnt brock ko herring.You so make it sound like brock is a nobody and carwin is the shit but carwins first 9 fights werent against that good of oppnts. You must think its all about ko's or tko's when its about winning period

You did the same thing with telling who they have fought which makes no difference. I'm trying to make it look like anything.

Carwin has KOs....Brock does not! Bottom line. You can't prove otherwise. I do not think its all about KOs or whatever....my whole post are about power. Quit flipping it to try and win an argument that you can't win without facts to back it up.

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TweetIt makes evey difference in who they fought because carwin has fough nobodys in his forst 9 fights who you seem to think is just it and has this great ko power.So if carwin is that good and you beleive he has the power he should of ko those other nobodys.Your on a cloud in a make believe world if you think brock has no power, you keep thinking that and make your self look goofy by saying brock has no power.But in one sentence you say carwin has ko's but in the next you say you dont think its about ko power so what is it make up your mind those are your words. See people like you like to assume someone is flipping when I stated from the begining brock has power and it doesnt matter if he has ko's or not its about winning.

You did the same thing with telling who they have fought which makes no difference

it makes a difference when you think carwin is the ko god and couldnt ko his first 9 fights who werent good fighters

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It makes evey difference in who they fought because carwin has fough nobodys in his forst 9 fights who you seem to think is just it and has this great ko power.So if carwin is that good and you beleive he has the power he should of ko those other nobodys.Your on a cloud in a make believe world if you think brock has no power, you keep thinking that and make your self look goofy by saying brock has no power.But in one sentence you say carwin has ko's but in the next you say you dont think its about ko power so what is it make up your mind those are your words. See people like you like to assume someone is flipping when I stated from the begining brock has power and it doesnt matter if he has ko's or not its about winning.




it makes a difference when you think carwin is the ko god and couldnt ko his first 9 fights who werent good fighters

So let me get this straight....a fighter that is not on the top level is easier to KO than a high level fighter? That is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard!! I know some guys in my hometown that wouldn't stand a chance in hell at beating any MMA fighter, but I can guarantee you that they won't KO them. I have seen the one guy get hit with 2x4s, bricks, and a bat and never got KOd.....but that doesn't make him a top level fighter. I have never said that Brock didn't have "power." I am saying that Brock has not shown ANY signs of having "KO power." And there is no way that you can twist it or whatever you do to change it. If you can't give me a list of fighters ( I don't care how good they are) that Brock has knocked out, then you have no argument. It don't get much more simple than that.

Catch up here....I am ONLY talking about KO power. I am not talking about winning fights or anything of that nature.....JUST KO POWER. And Brock has NOT shown KO power, obviously.

The whole problem here is that I was talking about KO power and you get your feelings hurt thinking that I said Brock has no power.


Also, show me where I said that Carwin was the KO God...Please, quote the sentence where I said Carwin was the KO God. I am going to venture a guess that you can't because you just put those words in my mouth.

Well, until I see the list of Brock's KO victories, then I am done. Because if you haven't knocked anyone out, then you have no knockouts. When you have hit people solid (the punch on Herring was a fully extended, straight down the pipe shot) and have beat people to a pulp, and you still haven't knocked anyone out, then you have shown no KO power. There is nothing wrong with that because like you said, it is about winning. But winning was not my argument