uhff...union workers...

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Tweetare now in Obama's hip pocket. and the rest of American's pocket books.
So the headcod, Obama, is hooking up unions with perks out the ass off tax payer dollar. But wait a minute, you say?..union workers pay taxes too. yeah. but they don't have to pay a damn dime for the sweet healthcare deal Obama proposed for them over the next 3-4yrs. But not to worry union workers. You're sweet deals are getting paid for. You won't do without. You're covered by the rest of us, non-union workers. And the ones you should really give thanks to is the business owners.
No problem. Well...I can't say that, because that's a lie. It is a problem. A huge problem. My family and I will do without for union workers. And I still have to muster up enough income to pay for our healthcare too.
Thanks Fobama. marxist, commi fuk.

[JsJs24]

TweetLike I said before Horsepwer, read The Communist Manifesto. All of these policies were laid out by the progressives all mighty Marx. Unions are all about destroying wealth and giving it to the workers. It is disgusting and is why I want nothing to do with a union, and if I can help it I don't buy products from Union operated companies, with the exception of my Ford truck which is a diesel thus no choice. If you want to have your mind blown check out this website that exposes the original intentions of the Industrial Workers of the World Union. Pay close attention to the pictures and read the preamble at the bottom. Of course, not all unions had this same agenda, but when it comes to thugs like Andy Stern at SEIU, Obama, and other progressives you can bet there agenda is similar. Pure Marxism.

https://www.workerseducation.org/crut...coal/coal.html

I suppose the union members on this site will now come out and defend their socialist system again, but I will not debate the issue any further. I have done my research and call it like I see it. What is so sad is that people in unions don't even realize that they are being used and that their leaders care nothing about them.

Union = Socialism, Socialism becomes Communism, Communissm = Totalitarianism
All in the name of the blue collar worker...lol, and people buy that though history has shown us the true intentions of such leaders, Stalin and Lenin should suffice, but of course let's not forget the German ****.

Now before everyone condemns me and calls me names and suggests that I don't know what I'm talking about, etc., please understand once again that I have nothing against any union workers personally and have a family full of them and several good friends. However, I will never join one because I am true to my principals, which prevent my involvement with any socialist system no matter how good the pay may be. I believe in Capitalism and the Free Market which this world has never truly experienced.

[Doink the clown]

TweetTrust me bro's, we understand all the backdoor deals,lie's,and deception that has gone and goes on at the top. My point is for those of us "unskilled laborers" that slam 41 transmissions in a vehicle an hour, we have to have something in place to keep the tyrants that exsist in our industry from rolling over us.
What pisses most of us off is we don't have a say in who the union should back at election time.And your right about the whole socialism aspect of things!.

[JsJs24]

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Trust me bro's, we understand all the backdoor deals,lie's,and deception that has gone and goes on at the top. My point is for those of us "unskilled laborers" that slam 41 transmissions in a vehicle an hour, we have to have something in place to keep the tyrants that exsist in our industry from rolling over us.
What pisses most of us off is we don't have a say in who the union should back at election time.And your right about the whole socialism aspect of things!.

Wow, thank you for not ridiculing me...lol. I don't like to tick people off and am aware that I am treading on thin ice when discussing unions being that we have several members who are in a union. My friends who are in unions are Republicans and can't stand the union but need the wages they are paid, so I guess there are plenty of union workers who do realize the faults in unions. In that respect, my apology for categorizing all union members as not understanding.

[Doink the clown]

Tweet^^^Fact is bro.....i need the money to buy gear :-)

[bowbow]

TweetI don't know what this new deal thing is, but I've always paid for my own healthcare thank you very much.

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I don't know what this new deal thing is, but I've always paid for my own healthcare thank you very much.

The deal on the table is the unions will get the "cadillac insurance" at no cost to the union worker. No tax. dental, optical, halth, life. No charge for 3-4yrs. It will be efective soon though. So, it wiell be paid for by the non-union taxpayer.

See, what Obama is doing is solidifying votes for the next election at the expense of those that he knows he won't get. Asz the one union worker explained, without realizing what he threw out there, "This is a nice nod and wink from the pres." He's got his vote.
Cheap. trifling, scummy, crooked, theif. That's straight theft. Take one's hard earned money, and give to another. That's bullshyt!. any way you slice it.

No wonder my father-inlaw is a dem. Not for logical reasons. Not for moral reasons because he stands against most everything the left is about, but his father was a railroad worker, and my father-inlaw retires this year. All the goverment handouts?...ofcourse certain people would go for it. I proud to say I wouldn't. haven't. And would really like to put something together against this madness. For the equal rights, and liberty of the people. There's no reaosn some union suit should be able to work back-room deals where none of his workers are to loose their job. regardless if they deserve it.

[Fitter X]

TweetWell I'm a union pipefitter. I pay $6.30 an hour for my insurance, every hour I work. I still have a $350 deductable per each member of my family, I have to pay for my prescriptions that are not a maintenience drug, I still have to pay 20% of the overall bill. Labor unions have done more for the middle class workers than any business owner has. Do you enjoy the weekend, the 40 hour work week, and overtime pay? All these things were established by labor unions. It was unions that first established health insurance for the workers. Unions are not about socialism. They're about making sure that working guy doesn't get stiffed by the big business man. I know that we make some good jack, no doubt about it. But I know for sure that when the bids for jobs are submitted, non-union and union prices run neck and neck. Non-union guy make half of what I make. All that extra cash goes right into the business owners pocket. They don't lose no sleep over that I can tell you. It's a shame how the media twists/spins information. The unions didn't ask for nationalized health care. Why should we? We got our own. I my opinion, health care is not a RIGHT. It is a personal responsibility.

[Fitter X]

TweetOne more thing, The labor unions around Indy aren't getting this cadillac policy. Nothing will change about our insurance except for the price going up!!

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Tweetapparently the deal was no insurance on caddy plan until 2018

now, sports fans, who does this affect, seriously it is all the union big wigs, people in power, who will retire by 2020

just another loophole for the poeple who can get em

total bullshit

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Well I'm a union pipefitter. I pay $6.30 an hour for my insurance, every hour I work. I still have a $350 deductable per each member of my family, I have to pay for my prescriptions that are not a maintenience drug, I still have to pay 20% of the overall bill. Labor unions have done more for the middle class workers than any business owner has. Do you enjoy the weekend, the 40 hour work week, and overtime pay? All these things were established by labor unions. It was unions that first established health insurance for the workers. Unions are not about socialism. They're about making sure that working guy doesn't get stiffed by the big business man. I know that we make some good jack, no doubt about it. But I know for sure that when the bids for jobs are submitted, non-union and union prices run neck and neck. Non-union guy make half of what I make. All that extra cash goes right into the business owners pocket. They don't lose no sleep over that I can tell you. It's a shame how the media twists/spins information. The unions didn't ask for nationalized health care. Why should we? We got our own. I my opinion, health care is not a RIGHT. It is a personal responsibility.

You are incorrect sir. Bids aren't always neck and neck. Union workers aren't always paid better. You are right about the business owner not loosing sleep over the profit he's generated. He looses sleep over having to give up 58% of it and having enough capital gain to sustain. The business owner sleeps alittle better when enough profit is generated to, not only operate and make payroll, but to actually earn enough gains to grow business as well. The business owner's unionized counterpart doesn't loose sleep over such simple things like groceries and survival. These economic beasts produce enough profit to have lobbyist, so sleep aides aren't needed. crooked fujkin union bastards fukin up the whole damn system with their bigass government horseshyt. outrageous demands, and socialist structure. Fuk them muthafukers. I wish I had a lobbyist that had my ass covered by tax dollars, guarantees across state lines, from coast to coast. sheeeit...tell me about union bullshyt vs non-union.
Mutherfukers spinnin screws with a machine cause they can't use a screw gun making as much as a skilled tradesman. Making as much as a GeoTech database programmer...for spining screws! Does that make sense to you?
If it does, then you're spinnin things in your mind. It doesn't make sense period because it's draining the system. It's draining business right off the map.
aww...poor Chrysler people lost all their shyt. Lost their retirement...everything. hmm...I wonder what all contributed to that???
Now, GM doesn't have to worry about that.
Now, Fannie Mae doesn't have anything to worry about. These bastards are the ones not loosing sleep. Do you know why? because they're backed by the government. They can't fail. On MY FUKIN MONEY!!!!! I CAN FAIL. IT'S CALLED CAPITALISM. SOME FAIL AND SOME MAKE IT. You let the ones fail that can't make it. That's how capitalism works. But now, unless you're backed by government/tax dollars, you're fuked. 58% a year ago is now 500%-1000% higher. Taxes, I'm talking about. Something you'll never have to "loose sleep over".

[JsJs24]

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Well I'm a union pipefitter. I pay $6.30 an hour for my insurance, every hour I work. I still have a $350 deductable per each member of my family, I have to pay for my prescriptions that are not a maintenience drug, I still have to pay 20% of the overall bill. Labor unions have done more for the middle class workers than any business owner has. Do you enjoy the weekend, the 40 hour work week, and overtime pay? All these things were established by labor unions. It was unions that first established health insurance for the workers. Unions are not about socialism. They're about making sure that working guy doesn't get stiffed by the big business man. I know that we make some good jack, no doubt about it. But I know for sure that when the bids for jobs are submitted, non-union and union prices run neck and neck. Non-union guy make half of what I make. All that extra cash goes right into the business owners pocket. They don't lose no sleep over that I can tell you. It's a shame how the media twists/spins information. The unions didn't ask for nationalized health care. Why should we? We got our own. I my opinion, health care is not a RIGHT. It is a personal responsibility.

This is why I wanted to stay out of this debate. It is impossible to talk rationally to some union members. You don't even know what socialism is apparently. Why do you think Europe has such a large union base? Why do you think Communists push for unions? Why do you think we owe the unions anything. I would rather not have a single union in this country and allow supply and demand to dictate salaries. You want to know why you make more than non union laborers in the same field? Its because there is plenty of supply and not enough demand for your trade. You should do your own research and rid yourself of the brainwashed mindset you have received from the socialist union you work for. And why do you think business owners don't deserve to line their pockets? Did you build the company? No! All you do is drain the company until its bankrupted. Pioneers deserve to make as much money as they can, and so long as they pay a fair enough wage to attract employees all will be fine.

Also, why do you think our Socialist, Marxist president is so strongly supportive of unions? Is this not common since.

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TweetI got a bit "colorful" above.^ I don't mean to attack anyone. Unless you're at the top of the union food chain. Setting the standard and signing the deals for our money. So, no offense to anyone. I've been wearing my passion on my sleeve lately.
Things are drifting, or getting shoved, way off of what they used to be for many of Americans.

[bowbow]

TweetYou guys just crack me up. lol You basically shit all over who ever is in a union on this board and then come back and say Oh I mean no disrespect though. Whatever gets you off. lol

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TweetDid I shit all over a union worker here? If so, please show me the example.